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Re: Numsgil (3k) vs shapenaji (6d) - Donut Board

Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 5:45 pm
by Numsgil
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[go]$$Bcm17
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$$ --------------------------------------------[/go]


Fine... I'll just leave the top area for now.

Re: Numsgil (3k) vs shapenaji (6d) - Donut Board

Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 5:51 pm
by speedchase
Is this a possibility?
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[go]$$Wcm1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . . , . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . X O . |
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Re: Numsgil (3k) vs shapenaji (6d) - Donut Board

Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 5:52 pm
by shapenaji
Having studied it more, I'm more confident than ever that his pincer at "c" in the previous diagram just doesn't attack strongly

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[go]$$Bcm
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 5 1 . O . X 9 . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . 3 2 4 . 8 6 7 . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 0 . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
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continued:
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[go]$$Bcm
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X X . O . X X . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . X O O . O O X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . 1 O a . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . 2 b . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
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$$ --------------------------------------------[/go]


Nifty huh? I live on the upper edge (treating my middle stone as a stone on the 4th line, rather than on the third line) and then the double hane. "a" would be typical if I was on a normal edge, but it doesn't work here. "b" is simply captured.

Re: Numsgil (3k) vs shapenaji (6d) - Donut Board

Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 5:56 pm
by shapenaji
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[go]$$Wcm18
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . . , . . . . . . X O . . |
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$$ --------------------------------------------[/go]


Keeping it consistent, I'll take sente here, and then need to decide depending on which way he builds his wall.

Re: Numsgil (3k) vs shapenaji (6d) - Donut Board

Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 7:02 pm
by misshapenaji
Bwahahaha, how will you defeat... The both of us?

Re: Numsgil (3k) vs shapenaji (6d) - Donut Board

Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 7:19 pm
by Numsgil
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[go]$$Bcm19
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Trigger:
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[go]$$Wcm20
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$$ | . 3 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 X . . . . . . , . . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . 0 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 9 7 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ --------------------------------------------[/go]


Not for you:
I'm still okay with black here.

Re: Numsgil (3k) vs shapenaji (6d) - Donut Board

Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 7:34 pm
by misshapenaji
Triggered

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[go]$$Wcm30
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$$ | . . O X . X . . . . . W . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ --------------------------------------------[/go]


I really like the placement of the marked stone, it leads to great interactions with the convex corners

EDIT: oh... and BWAHAHAHA

Re: Numsgil (3k) vs shapenaji (6d) - Donut Board

Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 8:08 pm
by Numsgil


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[go]$$Bcm31
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$$ --------------------------------------------[/go]


I'm still okay with this for black. Nothing's changed, so I'll play it again :)

Re: Numsgil (3k) vs shapenaji (6d) - Donut Board

Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 8:12 pm
by shapenaji
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[go]$$Bcm31
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$$ --------------------------------------------[/go]


I still think this is good, for the previously stated reasons, his pincer has some issues.


(Thanks for the flash tutorial there, couldn't get it to work)

Re: Numsgil (3k) vs shapenaji (6d) - Donut Board

Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 9:20 pm
by Numsgil
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[go]$$Bcm33
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$$ | . . O X . . . . . . , . . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . X . O . . . 1 . . . . . |
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$$ --------------------------------------------[/go]


Now the game really begins...

This is a pincer to white's stone, an approach against the corner, and right on the boundary of the side/corner transition (the Q column), so I think it's a pretty solid move.

Re: Numsgil (3k) vs shapenaji (6d) - Donut Board

Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 11:25 pm
by shapenaji
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[go]$$Wcm34
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
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$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . , . . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . X . O . . . X . . . . . |
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$$ --------------------------------------------[/go]


A good pincer, hoped he would pincer a little closer, this isn't quite as pretty as the other one, but I still get life here,

I second-guessed myself a few times before deciding on playing here, it gets complicated, but it aims to make use of the strong point at "z"

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[go]$$Bcm33
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
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$$ | . . O , . . . . . . , . . . . . . X O . . |
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$$ --------------------------------------------[/go]



"a" and "b" are very easily dealt with, but "c" is complicated, and I don't know if it's worth it.

I nearly played "a" myself, but decided that this route, though more complicated, holds no danger.

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[go]$$Bcm33
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$$ --------------------------------------------[/go]


I think this is his best sequence, he gets life on the bottom, and I get it on the top

Re: Numsgil (3k) vs shapenaji (6d) - Donut Board

Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 3:44 pm
by Numsgil
Harumph. :scratch:

Re: Numsgil (3k) vs shapenaji (6d) - Donut Board

Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 8:27 pm
by Numsgil
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[go]$$Bcm35
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I'd really like to try separating his stones one way or another, but I don't see a way to do that and make life locally. And I don't think I like the idea of running on this board. It's too easy for the attacker to make profit rather directly.

The problem is that if I play like this to try and seal white in, he gets the interior corner point. It's a rather hard stone to approach, so it makes the cross cut simply not work. I don't see any variations from this point that look appealing to me at all.

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[go]$$Bc1
$$- - - - - . . . . . . |
$$- - - - - . . . . . . |
$$. . . . . 2 . . . . . |
$$. . . . O 1 . . . . . |
$$, . . . . . . , O . . |
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$$ -------------------[/go]


Since white outnumbers me in the region, and I don't see a compelling attack line, I'll just try and make life locally, and the way to do that is by flinging stones around as attachments to shake the tree and see what falls out.

Maybe something like this as a reasonably convoluted continuation:

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[go]$$Bc1
$$ | . . . . . . - - - - - - - - - . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . - - - - - - - - - . . . . . . |
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$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . , . . . . . . 3 O . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . X . O . . . X . 2 1 5 . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . . |
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$$ --------------------------------------------[/go]


The variations branch from here, but I won't embarrass myself by trying to show them :) But I think this is reasonable.

Re: Numsgil (3k) vs shapenaji (6d) - Donut Board

Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 12:01 am
by shapenaji
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[go]$$Wcm35
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$$ --------------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm36
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$$ --------------------------------------------[/go]


a is also a possibility, but I like the crosscuts here, I stand by the marked move as a way out. I never see any danger in crosscuts, because essentially, if YOU are the one getting crosscut, you have flexibility to decide which side is more important.

Re: Numsgil (3k) vs shapenaji (6d) - Donut Board

Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 2:00 am
by Numsgil
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[go]$$Bcm36
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$$ | . . O X . . . . . . , . . . . . . 1 O . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . X . O . . . X . O X . . |
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$$ --------------------------------------------[/go]


Crosscut. Seems like the best way to get a good result.

I can't really reliably read past it, though (there's just too many variations). But I think no matter what white tries I can make sabaki and live locally, which is good enough.

I'll be mildly upset if there's some clever line I don't see that renders me inert and on the run.