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Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 5:05 am
by EdLee
cyclops wrote:Blindgod, look at to what your stones are connected. Even in heaven God would not find so many eyes, not even when blind.
That means you can just cut K2 off at J1 and say thank you.
cyclops, are you sure you're talking about the same thing?
He means after W 287, B plays K2 as move 288 or 290 (instead of pass), which was brought up by Bonobo. :)
(W cannot play J1 because there's already a B stone there (move 284)).

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Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 5:27 am
by cyclops
EdLee wrote:cyclops, are you sure you're talking about the same thing?
He means after W 287, B plays K2 as move 288 or 290 (instead of pass), which was brought up by Bonobo. :)
(W cannot play J1 because there's already a B stone there (move 284)).

I must have been confused again :oops:
Now I am even trying to solve this unrelated puzzle :)
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . X X X X X . . . .
$$ | . . . X O O O X X X . .
$$ | . . . X O . O O O X . .
$$ | . X . X O . . . O X . .
$$ | . . X . . . . . O X . .
$$ +-------------------------[/go]

Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 6:56 am
by EdLee
cyclops wrote:Now I am even trying to solve this unrelated puzzle :)
Feels related, doesn't it. :)

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Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 7:03 am
by Bonobo
EdLee wrote:Tom,
Bonobo wrote:If Black cuts [K2], I think B can at least turn it into a Seki
Study K2 more closely. :)

Oh my :oops: So, no Seki, since—to my shame—I overlooked that W is connected to the right side.

Thanks, Ed!

Re: Beginner handicap game. All feedback welcome

Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 3:27 pm
by Buri
Twitchy Go,
it's a pity you had to get a little personal in your comments. notice nobody else here is doing anything except saying 'you could do this or that etc.'
Does it not occur to you that as a complete beginner with no teachers, handicapped by old age, actually struggling because KGS promotes too fast, I might not appreciate your comments? Actually I did feel a little discouraged.
Anyways, what does 'playing badly' mean?
Next time --you- play is every move you make maximally efficient? I think not. If it were you would be a Dan ranked player and then some...
We are all just doing our best at any given moments.
Cheers,
Buri

Re: Beginner handicap game. All feedback welcome

Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 4:39 pm
by cyclops
@Buri I didn't see any bad words by Twitchy. Even if there were, they were not directed at you. Even as you were as old as I am, that would not be an excuse for being hypersensitive.
Nevertheless welcome to the forum. :)

Re: Beginner handicap game. All feedback welcome

Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 5:46 pm
by Buri
Greetings,
I think my point was clear enough. Nobody else said I was playing badly. Frankly it seems rather glib on your part to dismiss the fact that being criticized in this way is a little personal and not necessary. it's rude to accuse me of being hyper sensitive too. Can you remember when you were a beginner?
Suppose that was my best effort?
Have you thought about it from that perspective?
Sure, at the end of the day it's only a games, but it is important to me and as a beginner I am happy to hear about mistakes, but why say I played

'badly? It's uncalled for, which is why the other posters don't talk that way.
I am an experienced teacher in a number of fields of education and I take care and pride in the way I encourage people.
NLP has an interesting perspective on this kind of issue. It suggests that 'the message received is the message sent.' In other words , it is not up to you to determined whether or not I am hypersensitive.
I am not that bothered by the issue in overall but since I did not choose to have my game put there perhaps people could exercise a little care in the way they handle things?
Is that really too much to ask....
Cheers,
Buri

Re: Beginner handicap game. All feedback welcome

Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 9:36 pm
by jts
I'm confused, are buri and blindgod two accounts from the same person?

Re: Beginner handicap game. All feedback welcome

Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 10:01 pm
by Buri
No,
I'm his significant other.

Re: Beginner handicap game. All feedback welcome

Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 3:23 am
by cyclops
Buri wrote:No,
I'm his significant other.

Then why you are bothered? An by which remarks by Twitchy?

Re: Beginner handicap game. All feedback welcome

Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 3:45 am
by blindgod
When I saw that there were new posts in this thread, my first thought was, "Good. Maybe someone has more commentary on the game and how I can improve." And then I open it up and, for the life of me, I can't tell what the hell is going on.

Getting back to the game, move 79 has been bothering me. It seems overly aggressive (I even thought so when I played it). I'd like some feedback on this move, please.

Re: Beginner handicap game. All feedback welcome

Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 3:58 am
by blindgod
jts wrote:I'm confused, are buri and blindgod two accounts from the same person?


Maybe it's a Tyler Durden thing. I do wake up most mornings feeling unrested.

Re: Beginner handicap game. All feedback welcome

Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 6:05 am
by lindentree
blindgod wrote:When I saw that there were new posts in this thread, my first thought was, "Good. Maybe someone has more commentary on the game and how I can improve." And then I open it up and, for the life of me, I can't tell what the hell is going on.

Getting back to the game, move 79 has been bothering me. It seems overly aggressive (I even thought so when I played it). I'd like some feedback on this move, please.


Context is important; what's your assessment of the overall board at that stage? Do you think you are ahead or behind? If you're behind, then aggressive moves may be what's needed.

Re: Beginner handicap game. All feedback welcome

Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 6:07 am
by Uberdude
First a comment on a comment (with misnumbered moves corrected to what seems to be the intention):

Twitchy Go wrote:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$W
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . B . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


... B is playing somewhat badly (2 is a mistake I see alot in high handi games i play against people, it leaves the 3-3 open.)


No, black 2 is an excellent attacking move to make the white approach stone heavy, prevent it making eyes from sliding to the corner, and utilise the marked black stone to pincer on the side as white cannot make a full extension from his 2 stone wall after standing. There is indeed a weakness at the 3-3 point but it is dangerous for white to play here with the weak group on the outside. Later on in the game 3-3 could indeed become a good move.

P.S. Is Buri the black player in the game? I only saw TwitchyGo say black played "badly" not white.

Re: Beginner handicap game. All feedback welcome

Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 6:17 am
by cyclops
Uberdude wrote:P.S. Is Buri the black player in the game? I only saw TwitchyGo say black played "badly" not white.

I should have guessed that, sorry for the fuzz. This thread confused me for the second time.