Phelan
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by Phelan Tue Jun 01, 2010 1:47 am
$$Bc
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$BcI was 9k on kgs when we started the game. I've now gone up to 7k, and had a jump to 6k the other day, although I think that one is a fluke.
walleye, do you want to restart the game with a different handicap?
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by topazg Tue Jun 01, 2010 1:56 am
S4 is the first big mistake I think. It looks pressuring on the nearby White stone, but letting White play the other side as he has both threatens to seal in the corner and effectively pincer the lower middle Black hoshi stone. The jump really should have been the other way at either of the marked points below:
$$Bc
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$BcHaving played it, the next move should be to forcefully split and fight as follows:
$$Bc
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$BcIt's awkward floaty shape, but I believe that's because "1" is now rather oddly placed. Black wants to take "a" if he can as well now, but is aiming at the cut at "b" and also properly attacking the R6 stone. Playing to seal himself in as he has is asking for trouble. Simply splitting with "c" instead of "3" seems ok too, but the aji at "d" is a bit awkward to handle.
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by Magicwand Tue Jun 01, 2010 3:00 am
below is the correct answer for the approach. what Phalen played is WRONG.
$$Bc
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by topazg Tue Jun 01, 2010 5:30 am
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by walleye Tue Jun 01, 2010 3:59 pm
Phelan, let's proceed with this game until you are clearly winning. It's good you are stronger than you thought you were, it makes the game more interesting and more challenging for me.
$$Bc
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by Phelan Wed Jun 02, 2010 2:06 am
Sure.
$$Bc
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$$Bc
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$BcThere's a cut at a and/or b, but I'm not worrying about it for now if I can keep white cut as well, and live in the corner besides that. I don't think white will cut immediately, probably play elsewhere first.
Ah, there's also c, the invasion. I can't read it that clearly now, but I'd be willing to trade the corner for a wall facing up the right side.
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by walleye Wed Jun 02, 2010 4:39 pm
$$c
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by Bill Spight Wed Jun 02, 2010 4:50 pm
Phelan wrote: $$Bc Move 4
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I'm tempted to start fighting by attaching
$$Bcm4
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm4But walleye would probably approach from the other corner at
, or tenuki.
My move above seems to both claim part of the corner, and support the side hoshi stone.
For later:
$$Bc Move 4
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bc Move 4 is a good attachment, particularly in an 8 stone game. The marked Black stone prevents a good extension for White. Notice that White has two cutting points and can only protect one of them.
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by Phelan Fri Jun 04, 2010 1:36 pm
Sorry.
$$c
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by walleye Fri Jun 04, 2010 8:24 pm
$$c
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I guess Black decided to make some sort of position in the center. This is not bad, but the corner is isolated and I have a couple of forcing moves in the center. I don's see how to kill the corner now but it does look a bit thin. If Black protects the corner with
, he leaves a big weakness in the center.
$$Bc
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$BcThis is a strong way to play for Black. I can connect in the same way as above but it gets a bit unpleasant when Black plays
. I just hope Black does not play this
.
$$Bc
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$BcOf course, Black can also play some sort of atari first. I haven't really looked into that, I don't think it would change anything much.
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by Phelan Sat Jun 05, 2010 1:27 am
$$c
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Hmm, I said two ladders, but I only have this one. The other one would be just a threat, and would allow him to capture a stone while I get outside influence... The tradeoff isn't good enough.
$$Bc Outside influence
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bc Outside influenceSomething like this.
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by walleye Sat Jun 05, 2010 7:31 pm
$$Wc
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by Dusk Eagle Sat Jun 05, 2010 8:49 pm
I like this for white, though I reserve the right to change my opinion depending on the final result
.
$$Wc
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$WcWhite can aim both for the moves at 'a' and 'b'. Sure, his own group looks rather weak, but walleye is eight stones stronger than Phelan so he should be ok. Messy fights favor the stronger player.
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by Phelan Sun Jun 06, 2010 1:44 am
$$c
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$cThe usual way do do triggers(conditional moves) is to put a
"Trigger:
"
after your move. This case was pretty obvious, but in others I might not follow the sequence you propose.
I might have made a mistake before.
I think I can still live in the corner, but I'm no longer sure. Sacrificing it isn't an option, unless I can get much more outside thickness.
Now he'll get the cut and attack me, I expect:
$$c Cut.
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$c Cut.Or another cut like this. Sliding under the right side is also an option, but it doesn't seem as severe as this.
I'll probably just save the O6 stones and just use the other one for aji, but it depends on the kind of cut he makes.
, or tenuki.
is a good attachment, particularly in an 8 stone game. The marked Black stone prevents a good extension for White. Notice that White has two cutting points and can only protect one of them. 
, he leaves a big weakness in the center. 
.