Life In 19x19

Posted: **Tue Oct 02, 2012 12:40 pm**

kivi wrote:Can you post that game.

jts wrote:Suzuki-Kitani is a joseki dictionary, no?

http://senseis.xmp.net/?DictionariesPage

Right, thanks.

Sorry I did not make that clear.

kivi wrote:ah, I see. Then can Bill or somebody who has the book post what it says about that variation?

I did. They say that it is joseki.

They also say that if White presses at :w11:

(E-07), Black takes the stone on C-04. If Black extends to F-06 instead, Black gets pushed around (kikasare).

Posted: **Tue Oct 02, 2012 1:57 pm**

Posted: **Tue Oct 02, 2012 4:04 pm**

[quote="oren"][/quote]
Both games it is the losing move, hehe :p
On a serious note, especially second game it is easy to see the special reason why the differing move (n5 there) becomes more attractive than usual.

Posted: **Tue Oct 02, 2012 4:39 pm**

kivi wrote:On a serious note, especially second game it is easy to see the special reason why the differing move (n5 there) becomes more attractive than usual.

I don't! The low position of white's corner, and the fact that black is undercut would make me think that influence is less important than normal

Posted: **Tue Oct 02, 2012 4:56 pm**

speedchase wrote:
kivi wrote:On a serious note, especially second game it is easy to see the special reason why the differing move (n5 there) becomes more attractive than usual.

I don't! The low position of white's corner, and the fact that black is undercut would make me think that influence is less important than normal

Yes, I didn't see it either! Positionally, the bottom doesn't seem bigger than the lower right. But perhaps kivi's idea is that the cut at r4 is bad?

Posted: **Tue Oct 02, 2012 9:10 pm**

It's because of the o10 group, i think.

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