Yes running battles! Of course picking the battles so that they don't interfere with ladders for example could be tricky.wineandgolover wrote:Tengen can be used for moyo, but it is potentially even more useful in running battles. It is partially psychological. As black, instead of a single stone, pretend you've made a ponnuki in the middle. Use it for fighting because it cuts off escape routes.SmoothOper wrote: The tengen has multiple functions of course, but is it a serious threat?
If you just think of it as a ladder breaker, it is most definitely not a good play.
But if it is ladder breaker, plus moyo builder, plus fight assister, then it can be a great move.
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Re: Joseki Ladder Breaker's value
An interesting feature of san-ren-sei is that it breaks all the ladders hitting the side it is on. I think it may be the only 3-move formation with this property. For example, any ladder in the direction of the arrows below will be broken.
I don't think this on its own is a reaon to play san-ren-sei. But it's an interesting feature of this opening.
I don't think this on its own is a reaon to play san-ren-sei. But it's an interesting feature of this opening.
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Re: Joseki Ladder Breaker's value
I agree for exampledrmwc wrote:An interesting feature of san-ren-sei is that it breaks all the ladders hitting the side it is on. I think it may be the only 3-move formation with this property. For example, any ladder in the direction of the arrows below will be broken.
I don't think this on its own is a reaon to play san-ren-sei. But it's an interesting feature of this opening.
Neither the ladder at a or the ladder following b work for black. Also with the pincher, tengen is well positioned for white to run into the center with a pincher.