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Re: 74. Laman (1d) vs. emeraldemon (3k)

Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 3:16 pm
by Laman
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[go]$$Wcm136 Move #140, w+1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X X X X X O O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O X . X O X O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O O X X X X O . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . X . , . . X . X O . O . . . X X . . |
$$ | . O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . O X X O X X . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X O O O . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X X X . O . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O . . X O O . |
$$ | . X O X . O . . O O X X X O X X O . . |
$$ | . O O O . . O . W X . . . X X O O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i wonder what is behind all those comments. but nice to see them for any reason :)

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[go]$$Wcm136 Move #140, w+1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . X X O . . a . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . f . X O . O . . . . O X X . . . g . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X X X X X O O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O X . X O X O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O O X X X X O . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . X . , . . X j X O . O . . . X X . . |
$$ | . O O O . O X . X O . b . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . O X X O X X . O X X . . h |
$$ | . . X . . O . X O O O . . . O . X . . |
$$ | e . . X . . . X X X . O . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O . . X O O . |
$$ | . X O X . O . . O O X X X O X X O . . |
$$ | . O O O . . O . W X . . . X X O O . O |
$$ | . . . . d . . . . . . . i . . . . c . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

let's do a recount again:
a = around 25, more if i get to play P15
b = let say 15
c = 5 or 6
d = 10, or slightly less
e = around 10
f = around 20
g = around 20
h = 10
i = 5
j = 2
a + b + c + d - e - f - g - h - i - j = 25 + 15 + 5 + 10 - 10 - 20 - 20 -10 - 5 - 2 = - 12
-12, that doesn't sound very good, but on the other hand i feel fine right now, i think i can win. i should also mention that black upper right is tempting, i can't stop myself subconsciously reading if i couldn't make a living group inside... (although consciously i don't really believe such thing is possible)

Re: 74. Laman (1d) vs. emeraldemon (3k)

Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 8:05 pm
by emeraldemon
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[go]$$Wcm136 Move #141, w+1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X X X X X O O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O X . X O X O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O O X X X X O . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . X . , . . X . X O . O . . . X X . . |
$$ | . O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . O X X O X X . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X O O O . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X X X . O . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O . . X O O . |
$$ | . X O X . O . . O O X X X O X X O . . |
$$ | . O O O . . O . O X B . . X X O O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 74. Laman (1d) vs. emeraldemon (3k)

Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 3:57 am
by Laman
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[go]$$Wcm142 Move #142-146, w+1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . 3 . a . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X b . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O O O O . . . . . 5 . . . . |
$$ | . 2 1 O . X X X X X O O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O X . X O X O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O O X X X X O . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . X . , . . X . X O . O . . . X X . . |
$$ | . O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . O X X O X X . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X O O O . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X X X . O . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O . . X O O . |
$$ | . X O X . O . . O O X X X O X X O . . |
$$ | . O O O . . O . O X X . . X X O O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i guess 145 will be a or b. let me know if you don't agree with the sequence.
just some easy, sente moves. i decided to forget about upper right corner, so i can play the endgame from the outside. P15 is very big, as i already said. i still don't like how loosely is my group around E8 connected, but i cannot see a sente or valuable gote move to reinforce there, so i believe it will be ok

Re: 74. Laman (1d) vs. emeraldemon (3k)

Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 10:43 pm
by emeraldemon
I chose ''b''

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[go]$$Bcm147 Move #147-149, w+1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O O O O . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . X X X X X O O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O X . X O X O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O O X X X X O . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . X . , . . X . X O . O . . . X X . . |
$$ | . O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . O X X O X X . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X O O O . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X X X . O . . 3 . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O . . X O O . |
$$ | . X O X 1 O . . O O X X X O X X O . . |
$$ | . O O O 2 . O . O X X . . X X O O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


As for the difference between ''a'' & ''b'', I like ''b'' b/c it removes aji, and I don't think there's any difference in points. Whites play corresponds pretty closely with my ideas about the size. I guess I will take my free sente, then play what I think is biggest:

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[go]$$Bcm1 Move #142-146, w+1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O O O O . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . X X X X X O O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O X . X O X O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O O X X X X O . O . O . . |
$$ | 9 . X . . . . . X . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | 8 X 0 , . . X . X O . O . . . X X . . |
$$ | 6 O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | 7 X X O . . O X X O X X . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X O O O . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X X X . O . 2 1 . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . 4 3 . X O X . |
$$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O 5 . X O O . |
$$ | . X O X X O . . O O X X X O X X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . O X X . . X X O O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 74. Laman (1d) vs. emeraldemon (3k)

Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2010 12:32 am
by Laman
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[go]$$Bcm147 Move #150, w+1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O O O O . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . X X X X X O O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O X . X O X O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O O X X X X O . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . X . , . . X . X O . O . . . X X . . |
$$ | . O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . O X X O X X . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X O O O . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X X X . O . W X . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O . . X O O . |
$$ | . X O X X O . . O O X X X O X X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . O X X . . X X O O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i decided to answer, maybe i should have played 149 myself. there are two big areas i aim at right now: A9, where i can push to one side or another, depending on black's response and it creates some more endgame playes there and S12, which has also good chances to be a sente, threating with a monkey jump, plus black's shape wouldn't look very nice after his defense.
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[go]$$Wcm1 Diagram 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . . X a . . |
$$ | . . X O . O O O O . . . . . O 3 4 . . |
$$ | . X O O . X X X X X O O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O X . X O X O . . O X . 2 |
$$ | . 8 X O . . O O X X X X O . O . O 1 . |
$$ | 6 . X 7 . . . . X . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | 5 X . , . . X . X O . O . . . X X . . |
$$ | 3 O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . . 5 |
$$ | 1 X X O . . O X X O X X . O X X . . . |
$$ | 2 . X . . O . X O O O . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . 4 . X . . . X X X . O . W X . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O . . X O O . |
$$ | . X O X X O . . O O X X X O X X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . O X X . . X X O O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
7 becomes sente after the sequence (Diagram 1)

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[go]$$Wcm1 Diagram 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O O O O . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . X X X X X O O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O X . X O X O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O O X X X X O . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | 4 X . , . . X . X O . O . . . X X . . |
$$ | 3 O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | 1 X X O . . O X X O X X . O X X . . . |
$$ | 2 6 X 7 . O . X O O O . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . 5 8 X . . . X X X . O . W X . X X . |
$$ | . 9 . . . O . . . O O . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O . . X O O . |
$$ | . X O X X O . . O O X X X O X X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . O X X . . X X O O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 74. Laman (1d) vs. emeraldemon (3k)

Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2010 8:15 am
by emeraldemon
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[go]$$Bcm147 Move #151, w+1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O O O O . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . X X X X X O O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O X . X O X O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O O X X X X O . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . X . , . . X . X O . O . . . X X . . |
$$ | . O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . O X X O X X . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X O O O . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X X X . O . O X . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . . B . X O X . |
$$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O . . X O O . |
$$ | . X O X X O . . O O X X X O X X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . O X X . . X X O O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Essentially the same as before. I think W may take the left before repsonding.

Re: 74. Laman (1d) vs. emeraldemon (3k)

Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2010 9:13 am
by Koroviev
The whole Malkovich idea is genius!

This is an enjoyable game, the explanations really help weaker players follow the action - even if the explanations themselves need some work to understand at times (for me anyway).

:salute: Play on, worthy Malkovichers.

Re: 74. Laman (1d) vs. emeraldemon (3k)

Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2010 2:17 pm
by Laman
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[go]$$Bcm147 Move #152, w+1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O O O O . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . X X X X X O O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O X . X O X O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O O X X X X O . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . X . , . . X . X O . O . . . X X . . |
$$ | . O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . O X X O X X . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X O O O . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X X X . O . O X . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . W X . X O X . |
$$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O . . X O O . |
$$ | . X O X X O . . O O X X X O X X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . O X X . . X X O O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i couldn't really choose whether to answer black or play on the left side as i wanted, but after long thinking (and playing out variations) i decided to cowardly defend, because my sente on the left wouldn't last many moves and black could do some mischief in the center. by the way, if black wouldn't play here, i wouldn't think myself it is so urgent area. eventually black has to run out of steam and then my time will come
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[go]$$Bcm147 Diagram 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O O O O . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . X X X X X O O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O X . X O X O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O O X X X X O . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . X . , . . X . X O . O . . . X X . . |
$$ | 2 O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | W X X O . . O X X O X X . O X X . . . |
$$ | 1 6 X . . O . X O O O . b . O . X . . |
$$ | 8 4 5 X . . . X X X . O 3 O X . X X . |
$$ | 9 7 . . . O . . . O O . . X . X O X . |
$$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O . . X O O . |
$$ | a X O X X O . . O O X X X O X X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . O X X . . X X O O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Koroviev: thank you, it is the greatest motivation to hear that someone enjoy my game. and if you find anything unclear, feel free to ask, i (and the others surely as well) will do my best explaining it further

Re: 74. Laman (1d) vs. emeraldemon (3k)

Posted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 1:47 pm
by emeraldemon
The prisoners go back to zero.

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[go]$$Bc Move #153
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O O O O . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . X X X X X O O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O X . X O X O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O O X X X X O . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . X . , . . X . X O . O . . . X X . . |
$$ | . O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . O X X O X X . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X O O O . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X X X . O . O X . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . O X . X O X . |
$$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O B . X O O . |
$$ | . X O X X O . . O O X X X . X X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . O X X . . X X O O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Compare:
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[go]$$Bc Taking capture
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O O O O . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . X X X X X O O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O X . X O X O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O O X X X X O . O . O . . |
$$ | 3 7 X . . . . . X . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | 2 X 6 , . . X . X O . O . . . X X . . |
$$ | 4 O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | 5 X X O . . O X X O X X . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X O O O . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X X X . O . O X . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . W X . X O X . |
$$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O 1 . X O O . |
$$ | . X O X X O . . O O X X X O X X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . O X X . . X X O O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I make 4 points on the right, but lose 4 points on the left, and white has sente. It seems like maybe those 2 points are miai.

Re: 74. Laman (1d) vs. emeraldemon (3k)

Posted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 4:45 pm
by Laman
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[go]$$Bc Move #154
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O O O O . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . X X X X X O O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O X . X O X O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O O X X X X O . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . X . , . . X . X O . O . . . X X . . |
$$ | . O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | W X X O . . O X X O X X . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X O O O . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X X X . O . O X . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . O X . X O X . |
$$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O X . X O O . |
$$ | . X O X X O . . O O X X X . X X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . O X X . . X X O O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 74. Laman (1d) vs. emeraldemon (3k)

Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 10:52 pm
by emeraldemon
just so you know, I'm at a conference this week so I may not be able to update regularly.

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[go]$$Bc Move #154
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O O O O . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . X X X X X O O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O X . X O X O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O O X X X X O . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . X . , . . X . X O . O . . . X X . . |
$$ | 2 O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | O X X O . . O X X O X X . O X X . . . |
$$ | 1 . X . . O . X O O O . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . 3 . X . . . X X X . O . O X . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . O X . X O X . |
$$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O X . X O O . |
$$ | . X O X X O . . O O X X X . X X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . O X X . . X X O O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Looks like I have to defend that point after all.

Re: 74. Laman (1d) vs. emeraldemon (3k)

Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 1:51 am
by Laman
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[go]$$Bcm1 Move #158
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O O O O . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . X X X X X O O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O X . X O X O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O O X X X X O . O . O W . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . X . , . . X . X O . O . . . X X . . |
$$ | O O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | O X X O . . O X X O X X . O X X . . . |
$$ | X . X . . O . X O O O . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . X X X . O . O X . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . O X . X O X . |
$$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O X . X O O . |
$$ | . X O X X O . . O O X X X . X X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . O X X . . X X O O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

no problem, enjoy the conference (i hope it is enjoyable)
so far so good. now i want to see how will black answer my last move, because allowing me monkey jump would be pretty big, but it is hard to find a good counter (w a is going to become unpleasant aji)

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[go]$$Bcm1 Diagram 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . . X a . . |
$$ | . . X O . O O O O . . . . . O 4 5 . . |
$$ | . X O O . X X X X X O O . . . . X 3 . |
$$ | . . X O . . O X . X O X O . . O X 2 1 |
$$ | . . X O . . O O X X X X O . O . O W . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . X . , . . X . X O . O . . . X X . . |
$$ | O O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | O X X O . . O X X O X X . O X X . . . |
$$ | X . X . . O . X O O O . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . X X X . O . O X . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . O X . X O X . |
$$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O X . X O O . |
$$ | . X O X X O . . O O X X X . X X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . O X X . . X X O O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

after this (or similar) sequence i will return to the left (note that 3 is sente, otherwise w a - b b - w c):

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[go]$$Wcm1 Diagram 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O O O O . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . X X X X X O O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O X . X O X O . . O X . . |
$$ | a b X O . . O O X X X X O . O . O . . |
$$ | 2 c X 3 . . . . X . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | 1 X . , . . X . X O . O . . . X X . . |
$$ | O O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | O X X O . . O X X O X X . O X X . . . |
$$ | X . X . . O . X O O O . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . X X X . O . O X . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . O X . X O X . |
$$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O X . X O O . |
$$ | . X O X X O . . O O X X X . X X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . O X X . . X X O O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Bcm1 Score count
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . f . X O . O . . . . O X X X . . g . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . a . O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O O O O . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . X X X X X O O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O X . X O X O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O O X X X X O . O . O W . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . X . , . . X i X O . O . . . X X . . |
$$ | O O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | O X X O . . O X X O X X . O X X . h . |
$$ | X . X . . O . X O O O . b . O . X . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . X X X . O . O X . X X . |
$$ | e . . . . O . . . O O . O X . X O X . |
$$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O X . X O O . |
$$ | . X O X X O . . O O X X X . X X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . O X X . . X X O O . O |
$$ | . . . . . d . . . . . . . . . . . c . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

a = 35
b = 12
c = 5
d = 8
e = 7
f = 18
g = 15
h = 20
i = 3
ballance = a + b + c + d - e - f - g - h - i = 35 + 12 + 5 + 8 - 7 - 18 - 15 - 20 - 3 = -3
hmm, i would think i am already ahead, but i believe i can get 3 points in the endgame. this count isn't really precise anyway, because i am used to not so close games so i usually round the numbers a bit.
but i feel good, that's important

Re: 74. Laman (1d) vs. emeraldemon (3k)

Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 10:56 pm
by emeraldemon
Conference was fun. You know what's better than computers? Supercomputers.

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[go]$$Bcm1 Move #158
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O O O O . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . X X X X X O O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O X . X O X O . . O X B . |
$$ | . . X O . . O O X X X X O . O . O O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . X . , . . X . X O . O . . . X X . . |
$$ | O O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | O X X O . . O X X O X X . O X X . . . |
$$ | X . X . . O . X O O O . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . X X X . O . O X . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . O X . X O X . |
$$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O X . X O O . |
$$ | . X O X X O . . O O X X X . X X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . O X X . . X X O O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm1 Move #158
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O O O O . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . X X X X X O O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O X . X O X O . . O X 1 . |
$$ | . . X O . . O O X X X X O . O . O W . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . X . , . . X . X O . O . . . X X 2 . |
$$ | O O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . 3 4 |
$$ | O X X O . . O X X O X X . O X X . 5 . |
$$ | X . X . . O . X O O O . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . X X X . O . O X . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . O X . X O X . |
$$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O X . X O O . |
$$ | . X O X X O . . O O X X X . X X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . O X X . . X X O O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm1 Move #158
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O O O O . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . X X X X X O O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O X . X O X O . . O X 1 . |
$$ | . . X O . . O O X X X X O . O . O W . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . O O 6 8 |
$$ | . X . , . . X . X O . O . . . X X 7 4 |
$$ | O O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . 3 2 |
$$ | O X X O . . O X X O X X . O X X . 9 5 |
$$ | X . X . . O . X O O O . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . X X X . O . O X . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . O X . X O X . |
$$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O X . X O O . |
$$ | . X O X X O . . O O X X X . X X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . O X X . . X X O O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 74. Laman (1d) vs. emeraldemon (3k)

Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 12:22 am
by Laman
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[go]$$Wcm160 Move #160-2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O O O O . . . . . O 1 2 . . |
$$ | . X O O . X X X X X O O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O X . X O X O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . X O . . O O X X X X O . O . O O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . X . , . . X . X O . O . . . X X 3 . |
$$ | O O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | O X X O . . O X X O X X . O X X . . . |
$$ | X . X . . O . X O O O . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . X X X . O . O X . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . O X . X O X . |
$$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O X . X O O . |
$$ | . X O X X O . . O O X X X . X X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . O X X . . X X O O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

glad to hear that. and also glad to see you back, i couldn't wait for continuation of our game
i had to check my previous post to remind myself my thougts. in the end i chose 162 rather than A10, as it looks more sentish so i should be able to take A10 anyway

Re: 74. Laman (1d) vs. emeraldemon (3k)

Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 4:25 am
by Magicwand
i guess he didnt even considerd below.. marked black stone has very ugly shape. but missed by his opponent.
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[go]$$Wcm160 Move #160-2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . O O X . 5 . . |
$$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O O O O . . . . . O 2 1 3 . |
$$ | . X O O . X X X X X O O . . . 4 X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O X . X O X O . . O X B . |
$$ | . . X O . . O O X X X X O . O . O O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . X . , . . X . X O . O . . . X X . . |
$$ | O O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | O X X O . . O X X O X X . O X X . . . |
$$ | X . X . . O . X O O O . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . X X X . O . O X . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . O X . X O X . |
$$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O X . X O O . |
$$ | . X O X X O . . O O X X X . X X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . O X X . . X X O O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]