127. ez4u vs topazg

ez4u · Post by **ez4u** » Sun Jul 10, 2011 11:05 pm

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I had a very pleasant Saturday followed by a very slow Sunday. The latter was the fault of this guy. Umenishiki is one of my favorites, but there is always a price to be paid...

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I have a feeling that Black is thick and that I can not simply play yose and expect to win. So following my basic philosophy, "When in doubt, go fishing." Here we go. I would like to get some understanding of how the center will play out. This is in order to decide how to treat the marked Black stone and the bottom in general. At the same time, can I make any use of the marked White stone as I give it up.

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 3:36 am

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Ok, let's start this fight then. The logical safe move would have been to the left of his stone, but then he plays where I just did in sente again, and builds the center. This is a bit more proactive of me. Either he pulls out, I connect underneath, and he still has some shape issues that mean he'll probably want to take gote to fix, or he plays for squeezy fun:

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So I expect this, and White's :w4:

I suspect will be one of the following:

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"c" is the big scary final showdown move, and I'm not sure if Dave's going to want to play that. If he does, I have to extend, and then maybe something like:

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The game is still very up in the air at least

ez4u · Post by **ez4u** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 5:29 am

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Here we go.

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This is what I am expecting and then we see where topazg wants to go from here. There are a lot of cutting points, etc. lying around.

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 5:40 am

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Trigger is entirely optional (and probably obvious enough)

ez4u · Post by **ez4u** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 5:54 am

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Graham, I accept. If you connect, I will atari.

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 6:55 am

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Looks good - are we exchanging stones too?

Now things will get messy. I presume he's going to cut:

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Which of these :b13:

moves are bigger? Next big decision already

ez4u · Post by **ez4u** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 7:41 am

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We do exchange, and I will leave you with this cut for the night.

I am waiting to see what direction he will go from here.

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I am mainly thinking of "a" to seize the center or "b" to cut off his eyeless group as my two basic approaches from here.

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 8:07 am

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Ok, have a good night

This is the only move that makes sense, in hindsight. It continues to work vaguely with that peep of mine, and I need something that indirectly helps with the possibility that my now half-eyed group may get cut off:

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There's some fireworks ahead still, which is nice

I don't suppose any observers have any questions?

Website · Post by **Chew Terr** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 8:12 am

Topazg:

Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 8:14 am

@topazg:

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 8:51 am

Chew Terr wrote:Topazg:
Sure, I'll bite. You earlier mentioned considering N6, which would have been my first instinct. So, your comment sounded like you passed that up because you wanted to better support F8. Am I interpreting it correctly? Are you concerned at all about a play around L6 trying to split your groups?

The urgency on N6 isn't small, without a doubt. However, I want to give White enough issues with his cutting stone that it's hard for him to attack my big dragon. If he can't kill it, I can focus more on my own plans. Now, the moves he's got around N6 aren't as big:

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and

connect in good shape now, and him pushing over the top no longer nets him any central points, so it drops the urgency somewhat (although, if I play it, I can actually get points from it now). The other side:

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Well, looks exciting, no? Now I have a very good shot at attacking the White groups on both sides of :b17:

and

, and that means I may get to swallow that stone up again, as this line seems to be a bit less viable for White (he's ahead, why create a win/lose fight situation).

Kirby wrote:@topazg:
What do you think of the balance of points, perhaps taking into account how the center is developing, compared to a few moves ago when you wrote that you felt you were 10-15 points behind.

How do you feel about the game progression since then?

It's difficult. I think it's more like 5-10 at the moment, but there's so much hugely up in the air, and some really huge yose moves, that it's hard to be very sure about it. Certainly, I'm trying for a strategy that keeps the biggest swing value remaining in big areas, because that's my best chance of suddenly picking 10 points up on an error from Dave. I've clearly suffered a local loss letting him get that ponnuki, but at the same time I've neutralised the middle completely, and it feels like that's enough compensation. I have a feeling we're both about to start killing each other, and that could end the game, but at least it gives me a half chance at pulling something out of the bag.

Big yose:

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I really want all of these if possible, then I'm winning

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 11:43 am

Some thoughts:

Ok, here are my yose thoughts, in order from the one I want most, to the one I want least. None of them are small:

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"a" is just huge, and we both have a reasonable chance of taking it in sente. "b" is relatively huge,and I may well give White sente if he takes it first. "c" may well be big enough, as if White ignores it I get to peep and jump with the "x" points for further sente reductions. "d" isn't small, but White will play B3, I'll pull back, and White can then take sente, so it needs to wait. "e" isn't small either, but I'll ignore it, as White can only make the further capture in gote, and two gote moves for that isn't big enough right now. "f" is fairly small, but very sente for White, so it's worth a few reverse sente points, and "g" seems the biggest gote move.

Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 11:51 am

@topazg:

Website · Post by **Chew Terr** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 11:55 am

Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 12:00 pm

Chew Terr wrote:
I'm not sure I can agree with this estimation. While 'a' is certainly big, I feel like it's only sente for white. I guess how big it is depends on how this fight goes, and what the status of N5 becomes. Because of the followups, I almost feel like 'c' is the biggest of the options listed. Also, I think he's not counting O9, as it's more midgame than yose.

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