133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

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Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

Post by Harleqin »

This is exactly the problem with Black's recent play:

Magicwand wrote:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . 3 . X X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Black has played from his strongest stones, instead of the weaker ones
in the top right. He has not even made any great profit.

Now he will have to defend the upper right with great caution, instead
of cruising ahead without worries.
A good system naturally covers all corner cases without further effort.
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Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

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Harleqin wrote:
This is exactly the problem with Black's recent play:

Magicwand wrote:
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[go]$$Wcm121 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . 3 . X X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Black has played from his strongest stones, instead of the weaker ones
in the top right. He has not even made any great profit.

Now he will have to defend the upper right with great caution, instead
of cruising ahead without worries.

I agree.
The last black move was wrong direction. This might be the beginning of the game-turning point if kirby is not careful.
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Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

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Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm121 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . O . X X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

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[go]$$Wcm121 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . O . X X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

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Harleqin wrote:
Black has played from his strongest stones, instead of the weaker ones
in the top right. He has not even made any great profit.

Now he will have to defend the upper right with great caution, instead of cruising ahead without worries.

To me, this seems like a difference of philosophy. Cruising ahead is all very good and well. But, given the fact that B approximately 20 pts ahead, he can choose more or less how he wishes to handle the situation. Is it absolutely necessary that B fights for the corner immediately, or at all? How about a counterattack first.
My mentality would be ...
and I would also have played as mitsun suggested at 'a'
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[go]$$Wcm121 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . O . X X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . 4 . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X a . . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

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[go]$$Wcm121 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O 6 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . O . X X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I hope I don't make a mistake... White should not be able to kill me. I just need to keep balance on the rest of the board.
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Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

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Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

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Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm121 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . O . X X X . |
$$ | . 8 . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . . . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I want to continue to do stuff on the top. For example:
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[go]$$Wcm121 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . O . X X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . B . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . . . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


But let's just respond where he plays to keep balance elsewhere on the board.
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Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

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Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm121 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 9 . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . O . X X X . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . . . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
i have to make him come out of that brick house. i am huffing and puffing but he doesnt want to come out.
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Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

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Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm121 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . O . X X X . |
$$ | . X . X . 0 . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . . . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


You know, I don't have that many points. I should be careful not to let him get caught up.

To prevent future catching up, I need to make a presence on the board. I cannot meekly grab territory. I must keep influence on the board.

That's why I'm "jumping" out(?).
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Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

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@kirby:

how many do you think each of you have?
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Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

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[go]$$Wcm131 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . O . X X X . |
$$ | . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . . . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . 1 . . . . . . O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

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jts wrote:@kirby:

how many do you think each of you have?


@jts:
I think I have about 50 points. He probably has 40 or so.
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Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

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[go]$$Wcm131 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . O . X X X . |
$$ | . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . . . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . 2 . . . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'm actually a bit nervous right now. After the last few exchanges, I think that white has a decent chance of winning if I don't play up to par.

I will try to play "on par", I suppose. :-)
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Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

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@ obs:
I like :b1:. If it's sente it's great... And is he going to ignore it? If so, :b3: looks pretty devastating!
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[go]$$BC Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , 1 . . O . X X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . 3 . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . W . . . . . . X . . . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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