$$Bcm100 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O . . X . . | $$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . O . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . 6 . . . . . . . . . X . O . | $$ | . . X . X . O . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . X X X . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . | $$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . | $$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm100 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O . . X . . | $$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . O . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . 6 . . . . . . . . . X . O . | $$ | . . X . X . O . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . X X X . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . | $$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . | $$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I thought quite a bit about this move. If I felt like I was still behind, I might have tried to push deeper in. However, looking at the board, if feels like I've regained enough ground to make this my game.
Of course, I haven't counted, so I could be way off in my judgment. However, there is still a lot of aji left all over the place. Time to start reducing the number of places he can attack while keeping an eye out for opportunities to simply put this game away.
Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986
Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 7:01 pm
by 1986
$$Bcm100 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O . . X . . | $$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . O . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . O . | $$ | . . X . X . O . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X 7 O O . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . X X X . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . | $$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . | $$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm100 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O . . X . . | $$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . O . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . O . | $$ | . . X . X . O . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X 7 O O . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . X X X . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . | $$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . | $$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
have you every thought about a move for so long, including complicated variations and all, and then u end up with the simplest move. its crazy because i found a good cut sequence and everything and even a good tenuki move even though i don't have the time for tenuki right now but i choose the solid move instead. U know save my group, stay focused and play for the long run.
here is a sgf to show u what i have been thinking i had 5 moves in mind, check it out
i REALLY wanted to play this variation] (;W[jf]C[most sensible move for him because if i play there its trouble for him and then] ;B[gh]C[bow the cut] ;W[hh] ;B[hg]C[sweet right i know i love it i thought i was pretty clever for this one]) (;W[gh]C[lets see if he blocks the cut then] ;B[jf]C[bow!
this is great for me too!])) (;B[ie]C[this was my second thought, it makes my group even more secure, and it stops him from making too many points, its not as good s the cut to me, but its still a great move]) (;B[ji]C[i like the hane at the head of two stones its solid and helps ME CUT i iike the cut. one of my favorite proverbs is" cut first think later"] ;W[jh] ;B[ih] (;W[ig] ;B[hh] ;W[hg] ;B[gi]) (;W[hh] ;B[ig])) (;B[gj]C[this is weak i dont like this move at all it puts no pressure on the group]) (;B[gi]C[but this is solid slow and quiet very
i like this move its very Yoda like you know its thick & strong & good for making points and saving my weak group.]))
Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986
Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 8:52 pm
by Marcus
$$Bcm100 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O . . X . . | $$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . O . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . O . | $$ | . . X . X . O . . . . . . . 8 . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O O . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . X X X . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . | $$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . | $$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm100 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O . . X . . | $$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . O . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . O . | $$ | . . X . X . O . . . . . . . 8 . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O O . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . X X X . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . | $$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . | $$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I see no reason not to do this right now, and it can now safely cut further into the center.
Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986
Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 10:29 pm
by 1986
$$Bcm100 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O . . X . . | $$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . O . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . O . | $$ | . . X . X . O . . . . . . . O 9 O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O O . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . X X X . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . | $$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . | $$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm100 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O . . X . . | $$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . O . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . O . | $$ | . . X . X . O . . . . . . . O 9 O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O O . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . X X X . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . | $$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . | $$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
this move is automatic, the basic principle behind this is don't get cut on to the next hand im ready
Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986
Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 6:05 pm
by Marcus
I've been working 14 hour days on a single issue for work (stupid pager), so I don't trust my reading right now. Sorry for the delay.
I REALLY want to try L18 ... for some reason ... but my mental state isn't quite where it should be ...
$$Bcm100 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X O X . X . . 0 . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O . . X . . | $$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . O . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . O . | $$ | . . X . X . O . . . . . . . O X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O O . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . X X X . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . | $$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . | $$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm100 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X O X . X . . 0 . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O . . X . . | $$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . O . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . O . | $$ | . . X . X . O . . . . . . . O X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O O . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . X X X . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . | $$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . | $$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
If feels like a move I want to play, but I think my reading is currently in "hopeful" mode where I'm not reading optimal defenses from my opponent.
Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986
Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 9:28 pm
by Magicwand
for whomever shoes fits: that exchange is terrorable for white.. players dont realize that but they should.
$$Bcm100 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O . . X . . | $$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . O . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . O . | $$ | . . X . X . O . . . . . . . 8 9 O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O O . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . X X X . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . | $$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . | $$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm100 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O . . X . . | $$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . O . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . O . | $$ | . . X . X . O . . . . . . . 8 9 O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O O . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . X X X . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . | $$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . | $$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986
Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 12:37 pm
by Marcus
$$Bcm100 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O . . X 0 . | $$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . O . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . O . | $$ | . . X . X . O . . . . . . . O X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O O . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . X X X . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . | $$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . | $$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm100 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O . . X 0 . | $$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . O . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . O . | $$ | . . X . X . O . . . . . . . O X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O O . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . X X X . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . | $$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . | $$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Ok, I decided that it's time to take some of the big endgame moves in sente. The center has been reduced by a fair amount, so let's reduce the amount my opponent can claw back.
Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986
Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 11:27 pm
by 1986
$$Bcm110 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O . . X O . | $$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . O . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . O . | $$ | . . X . X . O . . . . . . . O X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . 1 . . O . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O O . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . X X X . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . | $$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . | $$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm110 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O . . X O . | $$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . O . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . O . | $$ | . . X . X . O . . . . . . . O X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . 1 . . O . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O O . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . X X X . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . | $$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . | $$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
CUT FIRST THINK LATER well u guys already know i been workin out some cut sequences on this side of the board before i like this it is more direct and since im stonger on this side then i was before i feel like it has more power i was waiting for a time to go back on the attack so this was bound to happen as soon as i got the time cut first think later next hand
Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986
Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 7:50 am
by Marcus
$$Bcm110 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X O X . X . . . . . . . . . 2 . | $$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O . . X O . | $$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . O . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . O . | $$ | . . X . X . O . . . . . . . O X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X . . O . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O O . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . X X X . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . | $$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . | $$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm110 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X O X . X . . . . . . . . . 2 . | $$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O . . X O . | $$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . O . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . O . | $$ | . . X . X . O . . . . . . . O X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X . . O . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O O . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . X X X . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . | $$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . | $$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Oh, so he wants to play it that way? Let's threaten to connect up with my lone stone. erasing his territory in this corner is HUGE. He can't keep ignoring me to capture two relatively unimportant stones.
Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986
Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 9:01 am
by hyperpape
Isn't the threat to make a large center territory?
Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986
Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 10:11 am
by lightvector
Black's desire to cut white apart here is a good one. I feel white's last move is dubious. If black can follow up with a move like and kill white's reduction stones, then he has a won game.
$$W $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X O X . X . . . . . . . . . 1 . | $$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O . . X O . | $$ | . . . , O X X . . W . . X . . X . O . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . 2 . . . . . . X . O . | $$ | . . X . X . O . . . . . . . W X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X . . W . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X X W W . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . X X X . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . | $$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . | $$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$W $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X O X . X . . . . . . . . . 1 . | $$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O . . X O . | $$ | . . . , O X X . . W . . X . . X . O . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . 2 . . . . . . X . O . | $$ | . . X . X . O . . . . . . . W X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X . . W . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X X W W . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . X X X . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . | $$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . | $$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
It's actually a bit complicated, and I don't fully trust the correctness of my reading here, but it looks to me like black can (barely) make this cut work. The waist cut makes things messy, but I think black can fall back at and keep everything intact.
$$W White makes it messy, but... $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X O X . X . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O . . X O . | $$ | . . . , O X X 4 3 O . . X . . X . O . | $$ | . . O . O . . 1 2 . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . B . . . . . . X . O . | $$ | . . X . X . O . 5 6 . . . . O X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X . . O . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O O . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . X X X . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . | $$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . | $$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$W White makes it messy, but... $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X O X . X . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O . . X O . | $$ | . . . , O X X 4 3 O . . X . . X . O . | $$ | . . O . O . . 1 2 . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . B . . . . . . X . O . | $$ | . . X . X . O . 5 6 . . . . O X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X . . O . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O O . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . X X X . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . | $$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . | $$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
$$W Black holds together? $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X O X . X . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X O O O X . X . . . X O . . X O . | $$ | . . . , O X X X O O . . X . . X . O . | $$ | . . O . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . 1 X 6 . . . . . X . O . | $$ | . . X . X . O 2 O X . . . . O X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . 5 X 3 4 O . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O O 7 8 . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . X X X . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . | $$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . | $$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$W Black holds together? $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X O X . X . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X O O O X . X . . . X O . . X O . | $$ | . . . , O X X X O O . . X . . X . O . | $$ | . . O . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . 1 X 6 . . . . . X . O . | $$ | . . X . X . O 2 O X . . . . O X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . 5 X 3 4 O . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O O 7 8 . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . X X X . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . | $$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . | $$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
$$W Miai $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X O X . X . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X O O O X . X . . . X O . . X O . | $$ | . . . , O X X X O O 6 . X . . X . O . | $$ | . . O . O . . O X 4 . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . X 3 5 . . . . X . O . | $$ | . . X . X . O 1 O X . . . . O X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X a 2 O . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O O b . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . X X X . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . | $$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . | $$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$W Miai $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X O X . X . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X O O O X . X . . . X O . . X O . | $$ | . . . , O X X X O O 6 . X . . X . O . | $$ | . . O . O . . O X 4 . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . X 3 5 . . . . X . O . | $$ | . . X . X . O 1 O X . . . . O X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X a 2 O . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O O b . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . X X X . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . | $$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . | $$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
If black can make this cut as above, then by my estimation black is at least 20 points ahead, so black can also probably win with a gentler play that doesn't attempt to cut off white completely, especially if the above variations are too complicated or if they in fact don't work.
Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986
Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 11:38 pm
by 1986
$$Bcm110 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X O X . X . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O . . X O . | $$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . O . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . O . | $$ | . . X . X . O 3 . . . . . . O X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X . . O . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O O . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . X X X . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . | $$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . | $$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm110 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X O X . X . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O . . X O . | $$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . O . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . O . | $$ | . . X . X . O 3 . . . . . . O X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X . . O . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O O . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . X X X . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . | $$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . | $$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
at first when i got home and seen his move it made me angry, i was thinking how dare he tenuki like my move was not valuable. i worked alot on this game and i felt disrespected he ignored me and i wanted to make him pay for that.
then i was like i should calm down because anger clouds emotions. i don't wanna play a bad move because of it.
but i still wanted to play the Sharpest move & Strongest move to make him wish he never played there.
his move is big endgame, it gets alot of points with just one move its very valuable
but now his whole top group is cut and has no base. its hard to make something out of nothing in those cirumstances.
my first thought was
$$Bcm110 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X O X . X . . . . . . . . . 2 . | $$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O . . X O . | $$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . O . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . O . | $$ | . . X . X . O . . . . . . . O X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X . . O . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O O 3 . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . X X X . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . | $$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . | $$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm110 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X O X . X . . . . . . . . . 2 . | $$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O . . X O . | $$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . O . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . O . | $$ | . . X . X . O . . . . . . . O X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X . . O . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O O 3 . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . X X X . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . | $$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . | $$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
it reminds me of yoda thick and strong style it seems slow and not powerful but locally its a important part of the board its one of those 80% moves it gets the job dones and its safe to play
$$Bcm110 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X O X . X . . . . . . . . . 2 . | $$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O . . X O . | $$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . O . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . 4 5 . . . . . . X . O . | $$ | . . X . X . O 3 . . . . . . O X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X . . O . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O O . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . X X X . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . | $$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . | $$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm110 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X O X . X . . . . . . . . . 2 . | $$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O . . X O . | $$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . O . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . 4 5 . . . . . . X . O . | $$ | . . X . X . O 3 . . . . . . O X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X . . O . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O O . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . X X X . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . | $$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . | $$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
but i choose this one because it puts the whole topside in danger if the stones could talk it would say ignore this, come on i dare you
Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986
Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 5:25 am
by hyperpape
This was the move I wanted to play. It's basic instinct almost. But Lightvector's move is so much better once you see it. I can imagine that sort of slack play is a big part of what holds me back.
Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986
Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 5:57 am
by illluck
I prefer lightvector's suggestion as well, but I don't think the difference is that big. The game move is a bit easier on black, but also more solid imo.
Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986
Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 6:08 am
by Marcus
$$Bcm110 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X O X . X . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O . . X O . | $$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . O . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . 4 . . . . . . . X . O . | $$ | . . X . X . O X . . . . . . O X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X . . O . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O O . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . X X X . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . | $$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . | $$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
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Let's go!
Perhaps I misjudged how big his attack was. Can't worry about that now, though ... I think I've got a decent plan for this sequence. Depends on what he does next.
and kill white's reduction stones, then he has a won game.
makes things messy, but I think black can fall back at 
and keep everything intact.