Re: Seattle Go Center sues Nihon Ki-in Japan
Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 2:09 am
An article in the Daily Yomiuri.
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This seems disingenuous... "Whether we need overseas chapters"?Chizu Kobayashi, an executive director of the Nihon Ki-in in charge of overseas affairs, said: "After discussing whether we need overseas chapters in this Internet age, we decided to sell the building. We'll decide how to deal with the case after consulting with our lawyer."
This article seems to say that Iwamoto gave the money to the Nihon Ki-in. I suppose the important thing is what conditions, if any, Iwamoto put on the gift of the money to the Nihon Ki-in.ez4u wrote:An article in the Daily Yomiuri.
Uh, no. Property ownership changing during lease terms happens all the time. The new owner must honor the old lease agreement (unless of course sale of the property terminates the lease as specified in the contract, and there is not fight there anyway)shapenaji wrote: Also, after talking with some of the folks at the Seattle center, I learned that by selling the building, they will break a 10-year lease by the tenant currently renting. This is no small set of damages.
Whose opinion is Shapenaji reporting, and how accurately is he reporting it? Obviously you can't answer those questions. We just don't know for sure if the leadership at the Seattle club thinks the lease matters, or if that's just Shapenaji's take. So you're approaching this with a loose handle on the facts.badukJr wrote:Uh, no. Property ownership changing during lease terms happens all the time. The new owner must honor the old lease agreement (unless of course sale of the property terminates the lease as specified in the contract, and there is not fight there anyway)shapenaji wrote: Also, after talking with some of the folks at the Seattle center, I learned that by selling the building, they will break a 10-year lease by the tenant currently renting. This is no small set of damages.
Its kind of scary that the 'folks at the Seattle center' have such a loose handle on this, honestly.
I don't think it's trolling. Not everyone who is wrong is a troll. Not even everyone who's wrong and loud about is a troll. Shapenaji is just someone who's pissed, and there's a difference.hanekomu wrote:This could charitably be called "speculation", less charitably "disrespectful", but I'd call it "trolling".shapenaji wrote:Mrs. Kobayashi appears to be changing her story... Election season at the Nihon Kiin is clearly in full swing.
(Of course, now I've made the mistake of feeding the troll...)
You're not slightly biased are you?hanekomu wrote:This could charitably be called "speculation", less charitably "disrespectful", but I'd call it "trolling".shapenaji wrote:Mrs. Kobayashi appears to be changing her story... Election season at the Nihon Kiin is clearly in full swing.
(Of course, now I've made the mistake of feeding the troll...)
And then, by your own admission, so are you.hyperpape wrote:Whose opinion is Shapenaji reporting, and how accurately is he reporting it? Obviously you can't answer those questions. We just don't know for sure if the leadership at the Seattle club thinks the lease matters, or if that's just Shapenaji's take. So you're approaching this with a loose handle on the facts.badukJr wrote:Uh, no. Property ownership changing during lease terms happens all the time. The new owner must honor the old lease agreement (unless of course sale of the property terminates the lease as specified in the contract, and there is not fight there anyway)shapenaji wrote: Also, after talking with some of the folks at the Seattle center, I learned that by selling the building, they will break a 10-year lease by the tenant currently renting. This is no small set of damages.
Its kind of scary that the 'folks at the Seattle center' have such a loose handle on this, honestly.
Gentlemen, can we skip the personal attacks?badukJr wrote:And then, by your own admission, so are you.hyperpape wrote:... So you're approaching this with a loose handle on the facts.
It needed some repairs--mostly to the upstairs apartments (which were otherwise very nice for that part of the city, yet vacant). It wasn't in terrible shape. I attended the meeting where the Nihon Ki-in ostensibly "discussed" its decision, and the age of the building was not mentioned.mhlepore wrote:The Daily Yomiuri article:
One thing I found surprising about the daily yomiuri article is the comment that the NYGC was closed in 2010 due to the age of the building. This makes it seem like the building was on the verge of collapse.
I have not played there in several years, but it did not seem that old, especially by New York City standards. Can anyone comment on the state of the building?
How so? I'm not saying anything about the facts of the case. I'm just saying that your response to Shapenaji went well beyond what you could know, since you don't who told him what exactly in Seattle. Show me where (in that post) I'm assuming anything, or how your original post wasn't making unfair assumptions and I'll gladly withdraw that.badukJr wrote:And then, by your own admission, so are you.hyperpape wrote:... So you're approaching this with a loose handle on the facts.
Ultimately, I suppose it sounds like its just time for Seattle to leave its mother's nest and learn to stand on our own. Maybe this was just sooner than we expected, and not in the manner we might have expected."Taking my board hat off so as to not expose anything I shouldn't at this time, I can say two things. There was never a plan to sell beyond the ideas of some people; that is, there was no agreement of any kind, just someone's desires. Second, those people would have been happy to sell to anyone who would buy, so the members of the go center are a subset of anyone who might buy it. We have discussed independently as one backup plan, could we muster the funds to buy it. That sentence you quote is specious in my opinion."
Has there been a follow-up article to the Yomiuri's 9 May article? Can anyone translate it?ez4u wrote:An article in the Daily Yomiuri.