SoDesuNe wrote:No way, José! You tenuki'd and I think settling the shapes at the bottom is more important than points in the corner. Especially when I'm longing to plop some stones in the center.
There's a tricky psychological element here. If we assume that SoDesuNe is correct that the lower side is more urgent that answering in the corner, then even if the best move is to play there now that means incurring a loss in the top right from giving white two moves in a row there. The fact topazg has played those moves in the top left and then this move suggests he may not view the lower side as urgent, so if black answers this attachment probe white might not come back to "correct" his mistake and play at the bottom but do something else. In which case SoDesuNe could have his cake and eat it by answering here so as not to incur the loss in this corner, topazg does his move somewhere else that's not so important, and then he plays the lower side. In a real game you can see where your opponent is looking on the board to help make this decision .
Re: #239 SoDesuNe vs topazg
Posted: Fri May 22, 2015 7:14 am
by skydyr
Uberdude wrote:
SoDesuNe wrote:No way, José! You tenuki'd and I think settling the shapes at the bottom is more important than points in the corner. Especially when I'm longing to plop some stones in the center.
There's a tricky psychological element here. If we assume that SoDesuNe is correct that the lower side is more urgent that answering in the corner, then even if the best move is to play there now that means incurring a loss in the top right from giving white two moves in a row there. The fact topazg has played those moves in the top left and then this move suggests he may not view the lower side as urgent, so if black answers this attachment probe white might not come back to "correct" his mistake and play at the bottom but do something else. In which case SoDesuNe could have his cake and eat it by answering here so as not to incur the loss in this corner, topazg does his move somewhere else that's not so important, and then he plays the lower side. In a real game you can see where your opponent is looking on the board to help make this decision .
Of course, sometimes they deliberately look away from the part of the board they are interested in so as not to draw your attention there. Tricky devils, opponents.
Re: #239 SoDesuNe vs topazg
Posted: Fri May 22, 2015 8:32 am
by Uberdude
Ah yes, but exaggerated bluff looking looks different to real looking!
Re: #239 SoDesuNe vs topazg
Posted: Fri May 22, 2015 8:32 am
by SoDesuNe
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Re: #239 SoDesuNe vs topazg
Posted: Fri May 22, 2015 12:07 pm
by bayu
@Uberdude
I fail to see better local candidates than the turn that was played. Is there one, which leaves the cut more severe. Or would you cut directly without/before turning?
Re: #239 SoDesuNe vs topazg
Posted: Fri May 22, 2015 12:39 pm
by Uberdude
@bayu
bayu wrote:@Uberdude
I fail to see better local candidates than the turn that was played. Is there one, which leaves the cut more severe. Or would you cut directly without/before turning?
It depends what I think I can do inside white's left side with moves like c8 and d6. If nothing works then I might let white strengthen it and then play more severely on the lower group.
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and I think settling the shapes at the bottom is more important than points in the corner. Especially when I'm longing to plop some stones in the center.
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