Malkovich 104 - Joaz vs Chew Terr

Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Sun Apr 17, 2011 8:18 am

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Back when I played this move:

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...I was assuming that he would go for pressing me low and getting eye space. I figured that...

Joaz Banbeck wrote:...
He will probably live in the middle easily enough by pressing me low. I'll pursue him by extending my right side group into the middle. As it gets stronger, then his lower right corner becomes a potential target.

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If I'm strong enough in the middle, I can poke at it from below, and make territory at the bottom.

Implicit within that strategy was the unexpressed idea that the cutting stone at Q14 would become meaningless, and therefore expendable if he attacked:

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...and that if he attacked, I would form a wall supporting an attack to the south, and steal sente while doing it.

But he played it much faster and looser up top, and now I'm rethinking that strategy. Instead of complicitly allowing him to live easily, I might be able to kill. But the problem with that is that my right side group could come under attack, particularly with the cutting sequence that I showed last post which catures - at least - the cutting stone at q14. So I want to be able to strengthen my right side group against that sequence - and similar attacks - before I go after his top side group.

If I had some exchanges like this:

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...then I can play something like 'a', knowing that he can't hack through at 'b'.

However, what if his plans for his lower right group are more southern oriented? Like this:

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...in which case I would do better with the previous plan of making territory at the bottom, making a token attack up top with the safer 'b' rather than the risky 'a'.

In summary, the long extension of his last move has opened up new possibilities. I need to know what he intends to do with his lower right group before I choose a new strategy or stay with the old one. There seems to be only one obvious eye-attacking move, so it costs me almost nothing to play it. Maybe I can get him to divulge something.

I'm either going to attack up top - and probably bet the game on the success of that attack - or I'm going to go for territory at the bottom. He gets to decide which.

Website · Post by **Chew Terr** » Sun Apr 17, 2011 7:29 pm

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Yeah, this was a pretty obvious threat before. However, MHO is playing with fire. I could definitely die here. However, if not, my group will get extra strength with which to threaten the middle white group, which isn't yet safe. Actually, because of this, I expect a play at 'a', to try to fix some weak spots. I'm bettting he's just leaning on my group to get a bit of stability in sente. Playing safe for the moment.

Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 12:17 am

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I'd like to extract my stone and leave him with no eyes, but it does not go well for me:

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...I can get out, but...

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...my position is just too thin.

However, if I had just one more stone, as marked:

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...I think that I can hold it all together.

So I'm going to delay the choice, and stake out sixth rank territory ( If I can get in a move like J6 or K 6 it could become real territory. ) It ups the ante considerably, for it threatens to deprive him of all of his eye space. It is too serious to ignore, and he has to strengthen his group. Will he choose to push north or south?

Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 6:39 am

for obs only:

i have no idea why he choose to play this move.
black's only answer to this move is "a" and it will only hurt unstable white group.

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Website · Post by **Chew Terr** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 7:36 am

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I'm not even sure I'm going to push and cut right away, but I really want to see which way my opponent blocks. Not sure I like the shape he made here because of the weaknesses present.

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Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . O O . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . X O . O X X . | $$ | . . X X O . . . . , . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . X O . O . . . X . . . X O X X . . | $$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . X X O X X . | $$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . X X . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . O . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O O O O 1 . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . X X O X . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . O O O X 3 . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . 4 X X 2 O 5 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . 7 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ -------------------------------------[/go]

This seems like the very least I could get here, and it gives me more of the corner than I would get, otherwise. I'm going to take the direction he blocks under consideration, and probably save the aji for later. That said, I could play something like this and not play 7, just to stabilize my group in sente.

Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 1:27 pm

Regardless of how this turns out, congrats to MHO for making this an interesting game. :clap:

Website · Post by **Chew Terr** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 1:30 pm

Haha, thanks. =) Lately, I swear that all of my games turn out similarly... interesting. This game started fairly normally, but I figured it was only a matter of time until the dam broke, and a sequence of fights began.

Thanks for making this game so interesting, and making me do so much thinking. =)

Violence · Post by **Violence** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 1:55 pm

Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 2:33 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm61 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . O O . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . X O . O X X . | $$ | . . X X O . . . . , . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . X O . O . . . X . . . X O X X . . | $$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . X X O X X . | $$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . X X . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . O . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . X 7 . X . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O , . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ -------------------------------------[/go]

All other replies end up losing my threat to extract R7.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wc He gets space for two eyes $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . O O . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . X O . O X X . | $$ | . . X X O . . . . , . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . X O . O . . . X . . . X O X X . . | $$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . X X O X X . | $$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . X X . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . O . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O 1 O 3 4 . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . X 2 5 X . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O 7 6 . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . . . . . O 8 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ -------------------------------------[/go]

Or 3 like this:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wc He keeps his eye in sente. $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . O O . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . X O . O X X . | $$ | . . X X O . . . . , . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . X O . O . . . X . . . X O X X . . | $$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . X X O X X . | $$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . X X . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . O . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O 1 O 5 6 . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . X 2 3 X . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O 4 7 . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ -------------------------------------[/go]

So blocking the to the east is needed, and it doesn't get him much:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . O O . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . X O . O X X . | $$ | . . X X O . . . . , . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . X O . O . . . X . . . X O X X . . | $$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . X X O X X . | $$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . X X . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . 4 3 5 X . O . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O 2 O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . X 1 . X . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O , . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ -------------------------------------[/go]

Website · Post by **Chew Terr** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 2:47 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm61 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . O O . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . X O . O X X . | $$ | . . X X O . . . . , . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . X O . O . . . X . . . X O X X . . | $$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . X X O X X . | $$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . X X . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . O . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O 8 O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . X 7 . X . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O , . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ -------------------------------------[/go]

edit: fixed diagram

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . O O . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . X O . O X X . | $$ | . . X X O . . . . , . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . X O . O . . . X . . . X O X X . . | $$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . X X O X X . | $$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 0 . X X . X X . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . 4 3 5 X . O . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . 6 O 2 O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . 8 7 X 1 . X . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . 9 . O , . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ -------------------------------------[/go]

Okay, gauging the best I can: I think this sacrifice and reduction is worth the possibility of losing my second eye on the right. If something has this much influence and one eye, it's going to be darned hard to kill. I'm not entirely alive or safe on the top, but all this influence will let me mess around with the bottom and right nastily. If I can seal my corner, I'll have 60 points on the left, which is probably enough to dance. If I can play somewhere like Q11, I may be able to set the right side running and turn Joaz's attack on its head. So the game is surely playable for both sides.

Trigger:

It is with fighting spirit that I offer my opponent... a 10-move trigger!

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wc 9 could be at 'a', if you'd prefer. $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . O O . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . X O . O X X . | $$ | . . X X O . . . . , . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . X O . O . . . X . . . X O X X . . | $$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . X X O X X . | $$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 0 . X X . X X . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . 4 3 5 X . O . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . 6 O 2 O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . 8 7 X 1 . X . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . 9 a O , . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ -------------------------------------[/go]

As an aside, I'd convinced myself that you would block the opposite direction. Just goes to show you, two people can see the same board and entirely see different sides of it.

Redundant · Post by **Redundant** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 2:48 pm

Violence wrote:
Am I the only one who thinks Joaz's sequences range from decent to normal to completely insane?

Shaddy · Post by **Shaddy** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 3:18 pm

Violence wrote:
Am I the only one who thinks Joaz's sequences range from decent to normal to completely insane?

Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 3:24 pm

Violence wrote:
Am I the only one who thinks Joaz's sequences range from decent to normal to completely insane?

Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 6:07 pm

Pass????

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm61 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . O O . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . X O . O X X . | $$ | . . X X O . . . . , . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . X O . O . . . X . . . X O X X . . | $$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . X X O X X . | $$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . X X . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . O . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O 9 O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . X 7 . X . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O , . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ -------------------------------------[/go]

Loons · Post by **Loons** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 6:34 pm

His first move is at your 69, though it seems to've escaped the diagram.

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