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Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 12:58 pm
by Magicwand
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[go]$$Wcm131 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . O . X X X . |
$$ | . X . X 4 X . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . . . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X . 5 . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


i have to play this way although it feels like an overplay..

Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 1:42 pm
by Kirby
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[go]$$Wcm131 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . O . X X X . |
$$ | . X . X 4 X . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . . . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . 6 . . . . O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X . 5 . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 5:18 pm
by Magicwand
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[go]$$Wcm131 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . O . X X X . |
$$ | . X . X X X . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . 7 X . . . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . . . O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 7:30 am
by Kirby
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm131 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . O . X X X . |
$$ | . X . X X X . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . 8 . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X . . . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . . . O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


To be honest, I don't really know what to do right now. I played the move I did to connect my stones, but there's also the concern that he'll get a lot of territory on top. I don't think he really can, though. It's kind of hard for me to know where to play.

I guess I'll just play here...

Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 8:08 am
by Kirby
If I were Magicwand, I might have a strategy that is similar to the following:
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . C C C C . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . C C C C O . X X X . |
$$ | . X . X X B . 5 . C C C C . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . B . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . 4 3 O X . . . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . 1 2 O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Well, I don't have the details worked out, but I would try to attack the marked black stones and threaten them in order to make big points on the top.

I haven't found a clear path for white, though. Magicwand probably sees it more clearly.

Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 5:44 pm
by Magicwand
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[go]$$Wcm131 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . 9 . . , . . . O . X X X . |
$$ | . X . X X X . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X . . . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . . . O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 10:43 am
by Kirby
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm131 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . 0 . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O . . , . . . O . X X X . |
$$ | . X . X X X . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X . . . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . . . O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


To be honest, I don't really know what to do. If I live everywhere, I should win. Can I do it? I hope so.

Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 12:10 pm
by Chew Terr
Araban wrote:
Kirby's move may look vigorous, but personally I feel given the global situation it's not the best choice and only gives MW a chance to come back if he gets carried away.
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . 1 . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Sorry, late to the game because of Congress/vacation. In response to your post,
Image
I agree of course. "Get more ahead!"

Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 3:11 pm
by Magicwand
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[go]$$Wcm141 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . 1 X . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O . . , . . . O . X X X . |
$$ | . X . X X X . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X . . . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . . . O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
chance???

Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 4:10 pm
by Kirby
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm141 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . O X . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O . . , . . . O . X X X . |
$$ | . X . X X X . . . . . . . 2 . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X . . . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . . . O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I just don't know, anymore...

Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 6:05 pm
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm141 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . O X . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O . . , . . . O . X X X . |
$$ | . X . X X X . . . . . . 3 X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X . . . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . . . O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

probe?

Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 3:48 am
by Kirby
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm141 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . O X . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O . . , . . . O . X X X . |
$$ | . X . X X X . . . . . . O X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . . . . 4 . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X . . . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . . . O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 4:39 am
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm141 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . O X . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O . . , . . . O . X X X . |
$$ | . X . X X X . . . . . . O X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . . . . X 5 . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X . . . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . . . O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
this is what i expect...
but i wasnt sure if kirby was going to play as below or has something else in his mind
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm141 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . O X . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O . . , . . . O . X X X . |
$$ | . X . X X X . . . . . 7 O X 6 . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . . . . 4 5 . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X . . . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . . . O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 4:42 am
by Kirby
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm141 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . O X . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O . . , . . . O . X X X . |
$$ | . X . X X X . . . . . . O X 6 . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . . . . X O . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X . . . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . . . O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
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Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 5:00 am
by Magicwand
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[go]$$Wcm141 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
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$$ | . X . X X X . . . . . 7 O X X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . . . . X O . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X . . . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . . . O . O X X X O . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
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