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Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)

Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 11:38 am
by quantumf
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . O O X . . X . . X X O . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . X O X O X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O O 7 . X X O . X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 W X 5 8 O O O . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . 3 1 4 9 X O X X . O . O . O O . . . |
$$ | . 6 O 0 . X X O . X . X . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


What group is Violence talking about sacrificing? A black group? A white group? I don't see how white can prevent this sequence (11 at E10, or possibly G9, then E10)

Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)

Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 12:05 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
quantumf wrote:
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . O O X . . X . . X X O . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . X O X O X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O O 7 . X X O . X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 W X 5 8 O O O . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . 3 1 4 9 X O X X . O . O . O O . . . |
$$ | . 6 O 0 . X X O . X . X . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


What group is Violence talking about sacrificing? A black group? A white group? I don't see how white can prevent this sequence (11 at E10, or possibly G9, then E10)


Violence will play 2 at D7.

Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)

Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 11:00 pm
by Magicwand
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . O O X . . X . . X X O . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . X O X O X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . X X O . X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . O O O . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . B . . X O X X . O . O . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X X O . X . X . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

sorry for the wait

Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)

Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 11:15 pm
by quantumf
Joaz Banbeck wrote:
quantumf wrote:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . O O X . . X . . X X O . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . X O X O X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O O 7 . X X O . X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 W X 5 8 O O O . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . 3 1 4 9 X O X X . O . O . O O . . . |
$$ | . 6 O 0 . X X O . X . X . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


What group is Violence talking about sacrificing? A black group? A white group? I don't see how white can prevent this sequence (11 at E10, or possibly G9, then E10)


Violence will play 2 at D7.

And how will he answer E8?

Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)

Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 6:19 am
by fwiffo
F9?

Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)

Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 3:37 pm
by Violence
No problem, take your time, I have a lot of work to do too.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . O O X . . X . . X X O . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . X O X O X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . X X O . X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . O O O . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X W . X O X X . O . O . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X X O . X . X . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Reading............

I think this is the only way to play. If I extend or atari on top, my result is awful.

Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)

Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 6:34 pm
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . O O X . . X . . X X O . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . X O X O X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . X X O . X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . B . X . . O O O . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O X X . O . O . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X X O . X . X . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)

Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 11:42 pm
by quantumf
fwiffo wrote:
F9?


Sure, but then black captures the white stone and there's no kill. And white loses by many. Anyway, I must have missed something, because black has captured the stone in the meantime.

Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)

Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 12:13 am
by Violence
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . O O X . . X . . X X O . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . X O X O X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . X X O . X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X W . O O O . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O X X . O . O . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X X O . X . X . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . O O X . . X . . X X O . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . X O X O X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 2 O X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . X X O . X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X 1 . O O O . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O X X . O . O . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X X O . X . X . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Man... I was hoping he would play this way. I think this is good for white.

Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)

Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 2:38 am
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . O O X . . X . . X X O . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . X O X O X O . |
$$ | . . O B . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . X X O . X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . O O O . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O X X . O . O . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X X O . X . X . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
i wanna make sure i get two stones.. they are bigger than my 5 stones he captured.

Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)

Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 5:41 am
by zinger
Magicwand wrote:i wanna make sure i get two stones.. they are bigger than my 5 stones he captured.

I don't understand this at all.

Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)

Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 7:11 am
by gaius
zinger wrote:
Magicwand wrote:i wanna make sure i get two stones.. they are bigger than my 5 stones he captured.

I don't understand this at all.

Seems like he's reading somewhat optimistically... His move is a ladderbreaker to capture the two white stones in the centre definitely. However, before this move, black's ponnuki in the corner was already potentially ko for life, but after white answers this, he can just outright kill the top left corner next.

Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)

Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 3:22 pm
by Violence
Sorry about this. I'm really busy at work this week. I'll try to play a move soon.

Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)

Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 10:57 am
by Violence
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O . . |
$$ | . X W O . . . O O X . . X . . X X O . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . X O X O X O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . X X O . X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . O O O . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O X X . O . O . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X X O . X . X . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Man, this is complicated... I think I can get a sente ladder breaker... or profit from him capturing two stones in the center.

Not sure what I think about this position, I dunno who's ahead right now.

Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)

Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 11:01 am
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X 3 O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O . . |
$$ | . X W O . . . O O X . . X . . X X O . |
$$ | . O 2 . . . . . . . . . X O X O X O . |
$$ | . 1 O X . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . X X O . X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . O O O . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O X X . O . O . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X X O . X . X . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
i wonder how he is going to use ladder breaker.