What is the lack of next trivial way: to train such engines with komi = 7.5, when playing black, and with komi = 6.5, when playing white?lightvector wrote:Yep. I had exactly this issue in mind when I posted this topic:
forum/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=15314
As should be obvious from the discussion, there might indeed be a way, or indeed several ways, but it's not a trivial issue.
Engine Tournament
-
q30
- Lives with ko
- Posts: 145
- Joined: Sat Aug 13, 2016 8:23 am
- Rank: 30 kyu
- GD Posts: 0
- Has thanked: 1 time
- Been thanked: 1 time
Re: Engine Tournament
-
as0770
- Lives with ko
- Posts: 180
- Joined: Sun Jun 26, 2016 8:07 am
- Rank: Beginner
- GD Posts: 0
- Has thanked: 15 times
- Been thanked: 23 times
Re: Engine Tournament
New entries: V-Run, which is little more than a random player, in League F and OnePunchGo in League D.
Leela vs. AQ
League A:
League B:
League C:
League D:
League E:
League F:
Configuration:
Links:
Best,
Alex
Leela vs. AQ
Code: Select all
1. AQ 2.1.1 5/8
2. Leela Zero 0.13 CPU 85c6f2ad 3/8Code: Select all
1. Leela Zero 0.13 CPU 85c6f2ad 18/20
2. Leela 0.11.0 15/20
3. Oakfoam 0.2.1 NG-06 11/20
4. Rayon 4.6.0 11/20
5. Hiratuka 10.37B (CPU) 4/20
6. DreamGo 0.5.0 1/20
Code: Select all
1. DreamGo 0.5.0 15/20
2. DarkForrest MCTS 1.0 12/20
3. Pachi 11.99 12/20
4. DarkGo 1.0 10/20
5. Ray 9.0.1 9/20
6. Mogo 4.86 2/20Code: Select all
1. MoGo 4.86 18/20
2. deltaGo 1.0.0 14/20
3. Fuego 1.1 13/20
4. Michi C-2 1.4.2 8/20
5. Orego 7.08 5/20
6. GNU Go 3.8 2/20Code: Select all
1. GNU Go 3.8 29/32
2. Hara 0.9 22/32
3. Matilda 1.25 19/32
4. Indigo 2009 19/32
5. Dariush 3.1.5.7 17/32
6. Aya 6.34 14/32
7. OnePunchGo 1.0 12/32
8. Fudo Go 3.0 9/32
9. JrefBot 081016-2022 2/32Code: Select all
1. JrefBot 081016-2022 16/20
2. Iomrascálaí 0.3.2 12/20
3. SimpleGo 0.4.3 11/20
4. Crazy Patterns 0008-13 7/20
5. Marcos Go 1.0 7/20
6. AmiGo 1.8 7/20Code: Select all
1. AmiGo 1.8 23/24
2. Beancounter 0.1 19/24
3. Stop 0.9-005 14/24
4. GoTraxx 1.4.2 11/24
5. CopyBot 0.1 7/24
6. V-Run 1 7/24
7. Brown 1.0 3/24Alex
-
q30
- Lives with ko
- Posts: 145
- Joined: Sat Aug 13, 2016 8:23 am
- Rank: 30 kyu
- GD Posts: 0
- Has thanked: 1 time
- Been thanked: 1 time
Re: Engine Tournament
I had compiled last Pachi version from 28.02.18. It became a bit stronger details.
So the rating of generally available Go engines (i.e. without GPU support) is next:
League A
1. Leela
League B
2. Hiratuka
3. Pachi
4. Ray
5. MoGo
So the rating of generally available Go engines (i.e. without GPU support) is next:
League A
1. Leela
League B
2. Hiratuka
3. Pachi
4. Ray
5. MoGo
- pnprog
- Lives with ko
- Posts: 286
- Joined: Thu Oct 20, 2016 7:21 am
- Rank: OGS 7 kyu
- GD Posts: 0
- Has thanked: 94 times
- Been thanked: 153 times
Re: Engine Tournament
I noticed this bot that was mentioned on Leela Zero github page: https://github.com/johnhuang-cn/FancyBing
You might give it a try
You might give it a try
I am the author of GoReviewPartner, a small software aimed at assisting reviewing a game of Go. Give it a try!
-
as0770
- Lives with ko
- Posts: 180
- Joined: Sun Jun 26, 2016 8:07 am
- Rank: Beginner
- GD Posts: 0
- Has thanked: 15 times
- Been thanked: 23 times
Re: Engine Tournament
Thanks! I'll try it after finishing tests of Pachi and Zen.pnprog wrote:I noticed this bot that was mentioned on Leela Zero github page: https://github.com/johnhuang-cn/FancyBing
You might give it a try
-
as0770
- Lives with ko
- Posts: 180
- Joined: Sun Jun 26, 2016 8:07 am
- Rank: Beginner
- GD Posts: 0
- Has thanked: 15 times
- Been thanked: 23 times
Re: Engine Tournament
New entry: Zen 7 via gtp4zen. Update: Pachi 12 and Leela Zero with the best 128x10 Network. In the future I will test the best Network of each size. Also there are some changes in the leagues, because of new entries I reduced the size.
League A:
League B:
League C:
League D:
League E:
League F:
League G:
League H:
Configuration:
Links:
Best,
Alex
League A:
Code: Select all
1. Zen 7 16/24
2. AQ 2.1.1 13/24
3. Leela 0.11 10/14
4. Leela Zero 0.13 128x10 CPU 9/24Code: Select all
1. Leela Zero 0.13 128x10 CPU 18/20
2. Leela 0.11.0 15/20
3. Oakfoam 0.2.1 NG-06 11/20
4. Rayon 4.6.0 11/20
5. Hiratuka 10.37B (CPU) 4/20
6. DreamGo 0.5.0 1/20
Code: Select all
1. DreamGo 0.5.0 15/20
2. Pachi 12 14/20
3. DarkForrest MCTS 1.0 12/20
4. Ray 9.0.1 9/20
5. DarkGo 1.0 8/20
6. Mogo 4.86 2/20Code: Select all
1. MoGo 4.86 18/20
2. deltaGo 1.0.0 14/20
3. Fuego 1.1 13/20
4. Michi C-2 1.4.2 8/20
5. Orego 7.08 5/20
6. GNU Go 3.8 2/20Code: Select all
1. GNU Go 3.8 18/20
2. Hara 0.9 11/20
3. Dariush 3.1.5.7 9/20
4. Indigo 2009 9/20
5. Matilda 1.25 9/20
6. OnePunchGo 1.0 4/20Code: Select all
1. OnePunchGo 1.0 17/20
2. Aya 6.34 16/20
3. JrefBot 081016-2022 12/20
4. Fudo Go 3.0 10/20
5. Iomrascálaí 0.3.2 4/20
6. SimpleGo 0.4.3 1/20Code: Select all
1. SimpleGo 0.4.3 17/20
2. AmiGo 1.8 15/20
3. Crazy Patterns 0008-13 13/20
4. Marcos Go 1.0 11/20
5. Beancounter 0.1 4/20
6. Stop 0.9-005 0/20
Code: Select all
1. Stop 0.9-005 14/16
2. GoTraxx 1.4.2 10/16
3. V-Run 1 7/16
4. CopyBot 0.1 6/16
5. Brown 1.0 3/16Configuration:
Alex
-
as0770
- Lives with ko
- Posts: 180
- Joined: Sun Jun 26, 2016 8:07 am
- Rank: Beginner
- GD Posts: 0
- Has thanked: 15 times
- Been thanked: 23 times
Re: Engine Tournament
And finally Zen 7 vs. Leela Zero GPU.
Final:
League A:
League B:
League C:
League D:
League E:
League F:
League G:
League H:
Configuration:
Links:
Best,
Alex
Final:
Code: Select all
1. Leela Zero 0.13 128x10 GPU 5/8
2. Zen 7 3/8Code: Select all
1. Zen 7 16/24
2. AQ 2.1.1 13/24
3. Leela 0.11 10/24
4. Leela Zero 0.13 128x10 CPU 9/24Code: Select all
1. Leela Zero 0.13 128x10 CPU 18/20
2. Leela 0.11.0 15/20
3. Oakfoam 0.2.1 NG-06 11/20
4. Rayon 4.6.0 11/20
5. Hiratuka 10.37B (CPU) 4/20
6. DreamGo 0.5.0 1/20
Code: Select all
1. DreamGo 0.5.0 15/20
2. Pachi 12 14/20
3. DarkForrest MCTS 1.0 12/20
4. Ray 9.0.1 9/20
5. DarkGo 1.0 8/20
6. Mogo 4.86 2/20Code: Select all
1. MoGo 4.86 18/20
2. deltaGo 1.0.0 14/20
3. Fuego 1.1 13/20
4. Michi C-2 1.4.2 8/20
5. Orego 7.08 5/20
6. GNU Go 3.8 2/20Code: Select all
1. GNU Go 3.8 18/20
2. Hara 0.9 11/20
3. Dariush 3.1.5.7 9/20
4. Indigo 2009 9/20
5. Matilda 1.25 9/20
6. OnePunchGo 1.0 4/20Code: Select all
1. OnePunchGo 1.0 17/20
2. Aya 6.34 16/20
3. JrefBot 081016-2022 12/20
4. Fudo Go 3.0 10/20
5. Iomrascálaí 0.3.2 4/20
6. SimpleGo 0.4.3 1/20Code: Select all
1. SimpleGo 0.4.3 17/20
2. AmiGo 1.8 15/20
3. Crazy Patterns 0008-13 13/20
4. Marcos Go 1.0 11/20
5. Beancounter 0.1 4/20
6. Stop 0.9-005 0/20
Code: Select all
1. Stop 0.9-005 14/16
2. GoTraxx 1.4.2 10/16
3. V-Run 1 7/16
4. CopyBot 0.1 6/16
5. Brown 1.0 3/16Configuration:
Alex
-
q30
- Lives with ko
- Posts: 145
- Joined: Sat Aug 13, 2016 8:23 am
- Rank: 30 kyu
- GD Posts: 0
- Has thanked: 1 time
- Been thanked: 1 time
Re: Engine Tournament
I had compiled Ray (new version) and fought it with other engines details.
The rating of Go engines with GTP and without GPU support is next:
League A
1. Leela
League B
2. Hiratuka
3&4.Pachi & Ray
5. MoGo
The rating of Go engines with GTP and without GPU support is next:
League A
1. Leela
League B
2. Hiratuka
3&4.Pachi & Ray
5. MoGo
-
as0770
- Lives with ko
- Posts: 180
- Joined: Sun Jun 26, 2016 8:07 am
- Rank: Beginner
- GD Posts: 0
- Has thanked: 15 times
- Been thanked: 23 times
Re: Engine Tournament
Updates:
-Leela Zero 128x6 CPU in League B, Leela Zero 64x5 CPU in League C and Leela Zero 32x4 CPU in League H.
-Leela Zero with ELF OpenGo Network in League A as CPU version with around 5 playouts/sec and with full strength and around 30 playouts/sec in the "Champions League".
The performance of ELF OpenGo GPU is not quite as expected. It lost 2 games by 0.5 vs. Zen and one by a stupid ladder. Maybe I'll repeat the tournament with a komi of 7.5 but honestly I think a bot should be able to play also with a komi of 6.5. Zen can handle this and thus gets 2 points extra. Leela Zero won one game without komi or ladder problems, ELF resigned.
The CPU version lost one because of a ladder but none because of the komi.
Champions League:
League A:
League B:
League C:
League D:
League E:
League F:
League G:
League H:
Configuration:
Links:
Best,
Alex
-Leela Zero 128x6 CPU in League B, Leela Zero 64x5 CPU in League C and Leela Zero 32x4 CPU in League H.
-Leela Zero with ELF OpenGo Network in League A as CPU version with around 5 playouts/sec and with full strength and around 30 playouts/sec in the "Champions League".
The performance of ELF OpenGo GPU is not quite as expected. It lost 2 games by 0.5 vs. Zen and one by a stupid ladder. Maybe I'll repeat the tournament with a komi of 7.5 but honestly I think a bot should be able to play also with a komi of 6.5. Zen can handle this and thus gets 2 points extra. Leela Zero won one game without komi or ladder problems, ELF resigned.
The CPU version lost one because of a ladder but none because of the komi.
Champions League:
Code: Select all
1. ELF OpenGo v0 12/16
2. Leela Zero 0.13 128x10 6/16
2. Zen 7 6/16Code: Select all
1. Zen 7 11/16
2. ELF OpenGo v0 (CPU) 11/16
3. AQ 2.1.1 8/16
4. Leela 0.11 6/16
5. Leela Zero 0.13 128x10 (CPU) 4/16Code: Select all
1. Leela Zero 0.13 128x10 (CPU) 22/24
2. Leela 0.11.0 19/24
3. Rayon 4.6.0 13/24
4. Oakfoam 0.2.1 NG-06 12/24
5. Leela Zero 128x6 (CPU) 12/24
5. Hiratuka 10.37B (CPU) 4/24
6. DreamGo 0.5.0 2/24
Code: Select all
1. DreamGo 0.5.0 18/24
2. DarkForrest MCTS 1.0 16/24
3. Pachi 12 16/24
4. Ray 9.0.1 11/24
5. DarkGo 1.0 10/24
6. Leela Zero 64x5 (CPU) 10/24
7. Mogo 4.86 3/24Code: Select all
1. MoGo 4.86 18/20
2. deltaGo 1.0.0 14/20
3. Fuego 1.1 13/20
4. Michi C-2 1.4.2 8/20
5. Orego 7.08 5/20
6. GNU Go 3.8 2/20Code: Select all
1. GNU Go 3.8 18/20
2. Hara 0.9 11/20
3. Dariush 3.1.5.7 9/20
4. Indigo 2009 9/20
5. Matilda 1.25 9/20
6. OnePunchGo 1.0 4/20Code: Select all
1. OnePunchGo 1.0 17/20
2. Aya 6.34 16/20
3. JrefBot 081016-2022 12/20
4. Fudo Go 3.0 10/20
5. Iomrascálaí 0.3.2 4/20
6. SimpleGo 0.4.3 1/20Code: Select all
1. SimpleGo 0.4.3 17/20
2. AmiGo 1.8 15/20
3. Crazy Patterns 0008-13 13/20
4. Marcos Go 1.0 11/20
5. Beancounter 0.1 4/20
6. Stop 0.9-005 0/20
Code: Select all
1. Stop 0.9-005 18/20
2. GoTraxx 1.4.2 14/20
3. V-Run 1 9/20
4. CopyBot 0.1 8/20
5. Leela Zero 32x4 (CPU) 7/20
5. Brown 1.0 4/20Configuration:
Alex
-
Vargo
- Lives in gote
- Posts: 337
- Joined: Sat Aug 17, 2013 5:28 am
- GD Posts: 0
- Has thanked: 22 times
- Been thanked: 97 times
Re: Engine Tournament
I've tried various settings for LZ and the ELF weights.
On my computer, it's very nearly unbeatable, with caveats :
1) It MUST play even games
2) Komi MUST be 7.5
3) I think there could be a kind of threshold for the playouts, a minimum of 20000 (?) to get this level.
Even if LZ (latest network) is given quadruple thinking time per move, LZ_ELF wins every time...( time_settings 0 61 1 for LZ and time_settings 0 16 1 for LZ_ELF) I've run maybe 10-12 such games, and LZ hasn't won a single one. It's really uncanny.
GPU 2x1080Ti, CPU i9-7920X
PS. New best networks for LZ seem to pop up like crazy today (already 3 new ones !) is it related to the ELF weights ?
LZ's strength graph is getting almost vertical
On my computer, it's very nearly unbeatable, with caveats :
1) It MUST play even games
2) Komi MUST be 7.5
3) I think there could be a kind of threshold for the playouts, a minimum of 20000 (?) to get this level.
Even if LZ (latest network) is given quadruple thinking time per move, LZ_ELF wins every time...( time_settings 0 61 1 for LZ and time_settings 0 16 1 for LZ_ELF) I've run maybe 10-12 such games, and LZ hasn't won a single one. It's really uncanny.
GPU 2x1080Ti, CPU i9-7920X
PS. New best networks for LZ seem to pop up like crazy today (already 3 new ones !) is it related to the ELF weights ?
LZ's strength graph is getting almost vertical
- pnprog
- Lives with ko
- Posts: 286
- Joined: Thu Oct 20, 2016 7:21 am
- Rank: OGS 7 kyu
- GD Posts: 0
- Has thanked: 94 times
- Been thanked: 153 times
Re: Engine Tournament
I think it would be more reasonable to wait for the ELF team to release a windows binary. ELF's network might be stronger, but there is also the fact that the original software run faster than Leela Zero from what I read (more play-outs per second than LeelaZero).as0770 wrote:Updates:
-Leela Zero 128x6 CPU in League B, Leela Zero 64x5 CPU in League C and Leela Zero 32x4 CPU in League H.
-Leela Zero with ELF OpenGo Network in League A as CPU version with around 5 playouts/sec and with full strength and around 30 playouts/sec in the "Champions League".
The performance of ELF OpenGo GPU is not quite as expected. It lost 2 games by 0.5 vs. Zen and one by a stupid ladder. Maybe I'll repeat the tournament with a komi of 7.5 but honestly I think a bot should be able to play also with a komi of 6.5. Zen can handle this and thus gets 2 points extra. Leela Zero won one game without komi or ladder problems, ELF resigned.
The CPU version lost one because of a ladder but none because of the komi.
I am the author of GoReviewPartner, a small software aimed at assisting reviewing a game of Go. Give it a try!
- jlt
- Gosei
- Posts: 1786
- Joined: Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:59 am
- GD Posts: 0
- Has thanked: 185 times
- Been thanked: 495 times
Re: Engine Tournament
Yes, probably. See here and there.Vargo wrote: PS. New best networks for LZ seem to pop up like crazy today (already 3 new ones !) is it related to the ELF weights ?
LZ's strength graph is getting almost vertical
-
q30
- Lives with ko
- Posts: 145
- Joined: Sat Aug 13, 2016 8:23 am
- Rank: 30 kyu
- GD Posts: 0
- Has thanked: 1 time
- Been thanked: 1 time
-
q30
- Lives with ko
- Posts: 145
- Joined: Sat Aug 13, 2016 8:23 am
- Rank: 30 kyu
- GD Posts: 0
- Has thanked: 1 time
- Been thanked: 1 time
Re: Engine Tournament
I had compiled last versions of Pachi_DCNN (required for its start additional soft is included: see link below). It's a bit stronger, than Pachi (details):
League A
1. Leela
League B
2.Hiratuka
3.Pachi_DCNN
4&5.Pachi & Ray
6.MoGo
League A
1. Leela
League B
2.Hiratuka
3.Pachi_DCNN
4&5.Pachi & Ray
6.MoGo
Last edited by q30 on Sat May 19, 2018 9:07 am, edited 1 time in total.