103. EdLee vs topazg

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 10:23 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wm80 Prisoners $$ ---------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X X . X . O . . X . . X . . X O . | $$ | . . O O O O X X X , . . . O X X O . . | $$ | . O . . . . O O . . . . . . X O . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . O X . . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . X . X . O X O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . X . X O O . , . . . . X , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . | $$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . O O 1 O . . O . . O . . , . . . | $$ | . X . X X X O . . . . . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

The best aji.

Before :b79:

, I was expecting B to push first;
with the resulting cuts, W is much thinner and the aji is not good:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$B $$ | . X . . . . . . $$ | . X O . . . . . $$ | . O . . . 2 . . $$ | . . . O O 1 O . $$ | . . . X X X O . $$ | . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . $$ -----------------[/go]

For example, even after the ponnuki with :w8:

,
there's still funny business with (a)...(d), etc.:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$B Variation 1 $$ | . X . X . O X O . $$ | . . . X . X O O . $$ | . . . . . . X . . $$ | . . X . . X . . O $$ | . X . . d . . a . $$ | . X O . . 2 . . . $$ | . O . . c O 1 . . $$ | . . b O O X O 6 . $$ | . . . X X X O 5 8 $$ | . . . . . . 3 4 . $$ | . . . . . 7 . . . $$ -------------------[/go]

Or, B still has (e) later:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$W Variation 2 $$ | . X . X . O X O . $$ | . . . X . X O O . $$ | . . . . . . X . . $$ | . . X . . X . . O $$ | . X . . . . . . . $$ | . X O . e . 1 . . $$ | . O . . . . . . . $$ | . . . O O . O . . $$ | . X . X X X O . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ -------------------[/go]

Given my earlier mis-read (Post #171),
I would've had to play :w3:

after

, and there's a weakness at (f):

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$W Variation 3 $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . $$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . $$ | . O . . . . f . . . . . $$ | . . . O O . . . . O . . $$ | . . . X X 1 3 5 . . . . $$ | . . . . . 2 4 6 . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . $$ -------------------------[/go]

Or:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$W Variation 4 $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . $$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . $$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . O O . . . . O . . $$ | . . . X X . 1 5 . . . . $$ | . . . . . 4 2 3 . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . $$ -------------------------[/go]

Or we're back to the original push with cuts:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$W Variation 5 $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . $$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . $$ | . O . . . 7 . . . . . . $$ | . . . O O 6 5 . . O . . $$ | . . . X X 4 1 . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . 2 3 . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . $$ -------------------------[/go]

So it seems W should be satisfied with the current local result. :-|

(p)

Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 11:49 pm

@Both players: I just unhid some possibilities that you didn't take. ( Posts 173, 175, 178 and 179 )

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Tue Mar 29, 2011 12:20 am

Thanks Joaz. (The top of Post #173 is not quite ready to be unhidden yet...
I stopped reading immediately.
I'd better not read any of them until you double check they're safe first.

)

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Tue Mar 29, 2011 1:28 am

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Now, let's see if I can get the result I want out of this.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wm80 Prisoners $$ ---------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . b . . | $$ | . X X X . X . O . . X . . X . . X O . | $$ | . . O O O O X X X , . . . O X X O . . | $$ | . O . . . . O O 2 . . . . . X O . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . 3 4 . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . O X X . O . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O a . O X . . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . X . X . O X O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . X . X O O . , . . 6 . X , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . | $$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . O O 1 O . . O . . O . . , . . . | $$ | . X . X X X O . . . . . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

'a' and 'b' are gote for both of us, and close in size (although 'a' is slightly bigger). So, I'm going to treat them at miai. If I can get to this board position, I think I'm about 10 points ahead.

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Tue Mar 29, 2011 1:52 am

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Tue Mar 29, 2011 2:11 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wm82 Prisoners $$ ---------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X X . X . O . . X . . X . . X O . | $$ | . . O O O O X X X , . . . O X X O . . | $$ | . O . . . . O O X . . . . . X O . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . O X . . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . X . X . O X O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . X . X O O . , . . . . X , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . | $$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . 1 O O O O . . O . . O . . , . . . | $$ | . X . X X X O . . . . . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

Loons · Post by **Loons** » Tue Mar 29, 2011 2:48 am

Hey Ed;

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Tue Mar 29, 2011 5:47 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wm82 Prisoners $$ ---------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X X . X . O . . X . . X . . X O . | $$ | . . O O O O X X X , . . . O X X O . . | $$ | . O . . . . O O X . . . . . X O . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . O X . . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . X . X . O X O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . X . X O O . , . . . . X , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . | $$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . 1 O O O O . . O . . O . . , . . . | $$ | . X . X X X O . . . . . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Tue Mar 29, 2011 9:16 am

Loons,

Actually I did not read that far for :w1:

, because it seemed I would get the bad aji from the cuts and lose sente:
(I guess topazg and I have been eyeing the same big points forever

...)

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$W $$ ---------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X X . X . O . . X . . X . C X O . | $$ | . . O O O O X X X , . . . O X X O . . | $$ | . O . . . . O O . . . . . . X O . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O C . O X . . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . X . X . O X O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . X . X O O . , . . C . X , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . O . . . . . . . . C . | $$ | . X . . . . C . . . . . . O . O O . . | $$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . 1 O O . O . . O . . O . . , . . . | $$ | . X . X X X O . . . . . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . C . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Tue Mar 29, 2011 6:48 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wm84 Prisoners $$ ---------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X X . X . O . . X . . X . . X O . | $$ | . . O O O O X X X , . . . O X X O . . | $$ | . O . . . . O O X . . . . . X O . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . O X . . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . X . X . O X O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . X . X O O . , . . . . X , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . | $$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . O O O O O . . O . . O . . , . . . | $$ | . X . X X X O . . . . . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X 1 . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

If

tenuki, there are some choices:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$W $$ | . X O . . . . . . . $$ | . O . . . . . . . . $$ | . . O O O O O . . O $$ | . X a X X X O . . . $$ | . . c . . b X 1 . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . . $$ ---------------------[/go]

If

, W keeps the liberty and a ko threat:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$W $$ | . X O . . . . . . . $$ | . O . . . . . . . . $$ | . . O O O O O . . O $$ | . X . X X X O . . . $$ | . . . . . . X 1 . . $$ | . . . . . 2 . . . . $$ ---------------------[/go]

If

at the push :wc:

directly:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$W $$ | . X O . . . . . . . $$ | . O . . . . . . . . $$ | . . O O O O O . . O $$ | . X W X X X O . . . $$ | . . . . . . X . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . . $$ ---------------------[/go]

Then, If

at (a)...(f), seems dead.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$B $$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . O O O O O . . O . . O . . , . . . | $$ | . X W X X X O . a c e . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . 6 2 3 5 X 1 b d f . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$B tenuki, (g), (h), (j) life. $$ | . X O . . . . . . . $$ | h O . . . . . . . . $$ | g j O O O O O . . O $$ | . X W X X X O . . . $$ | 5 4 1 8 . 0 X 2 . . $$ | 9 6 7 . . . . . . . $$ ---------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$B tenuki, (k) connects. $$ | . X O . . . . . . . $$ | k O . . . . . . . . $$ | . . O O O O O . . O $$ | 7 X W X X X O . . . $$ | 6 4 1 8 . 0 X 2 . . $$ | 9 5 . . . . . . . . $$ ---------------------[/go]

If B replies, we're back to the :w1:

exchange:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$W $$ | . X O . . . . . . . $$ | . O . . . . . . . . $$ | . . O O O O O . . O $$ | . X 1 X X X O . . . $$ | . . 2 . . . X 3 . . $$ | . . . . . 4 . . . . $$ ---------------------[/go]

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:00 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wm84 Prisoners $$ ---------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X X . X . O . . X . . X . . X O . | $$ | . . O O O O X X X , . . . O X X O . . | $$ | . O . . . . O O X . . . . . X O . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . O X . . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . X . X . O X O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . X . X O O . , . . . . X , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . | $$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . O O O O O . . O . . O . . , . . . | $$ | . X . X X X O . . . . . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . 2 X 1 . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Wed Mar 30, 2011 3:39 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wm86 Prisoners $$ ---------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X X . X . O . . X . . X . . X O . | $$ | . . O O O O X X X , . . . O X X O . . | $$ | . O . . . . O O X . . . . . X O . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . O X . . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . X . X . O X O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . X . X O O . , . . . . X , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . | $$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . O O O O O . . O . . O . . , . . . | $$ | . X . X X X O . . . . . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O . . . . . . 1 . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Wed Mar 30, 2011 6:16 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wm86 Prisoners $$ ---------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X X . X . O . . X . . X . . X O . | $$ | . . O O O O X X X , . . . O X X O . . | $$ | . O . . . . O O X . . . . . X O . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . O X . . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . X . X . O X O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . X . X O O . , . . . . X , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . | $$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . O O O O O . . O . . O . . , . . . | $$ | . X . X X X O . . . . . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O . . . . . . 1 2 . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Wed Mar 30, 2011 7:50 am

My prediction:

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:13 pm

I sincerely apologise for my selfishness, but I'm going to choose to resign this game as well rather than spoil it through a lack of thought and care.

Ed, you are far stronger than 4k in my opinion, and for the majority of this game I think you simply outplayed me. With a game of a move in the left middle to the control of the game for the next few moves, you had me hook line and sinker. Allowing me to cut at the top and live in the corner in sente I think put you slightly behind, but I don't feel I deserved to be ahead.

Congratulations, and thank you for a fascinating game

Life In 19x19

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