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Re: unprofessional behavior from KGS admins during/after jub

Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 12:25 pm
by daal
Bill Spight wrote:I find amusing the implication that adherence to professional norms of behavior depends upon being paid to do so.
Yes. If paying people guaranteed professional behavior, everyone would do it!

Re: hilarious behavior of earth-based monkeys during life

Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 12:42 pm
by Bonobo
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Re: unprofessional behavior from KGS admins during/after jub

Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 12:45 pm
by RBerenguel
Gratuitous cat picture. Thanks :D

Re: unprofessional behavior from KGS admins during/after jub

Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 2:10 pm
by DrStraw
saitama wrote:How can you preempt him? Last time I checked, you're not an admin and you can't stop him from posting things here, so unless you count insulting his grammar preempting then I think it's safe to say you're just being rude unnecessarily.
Rather curious that you registered your account one minute before your first post and that all three posts are in this thread. You must be a speed reader to have digested the entire thread in one minute and decided what to reply.

Of course, it is always possible that you could have read it in advance. By the way, have you noticed that the original poster did not post in this thread since you joined?

Re: unprofessional behavior from KGS admins during/after jub

Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 2:14 pm
by RBerenguel
DrStraw wrote:
saitama wrote:How can you preempt him? Last time I checked, you're not an admin and you can't stop him from posting things here, so unless you count insulting his grammar preempting then I think it's safe to say you're just being rude unnecessarily.
Rather curious that you registered your account one minute before your first post and that all three posts are in this thread. You must be a speed reader to have digested the entire thread in one minute and decided what to reply.

Of course, it is always possible that you could have read it in advance. By the way, have you noticed that the original poster did not post in this thread since you joined?
It's unlikely. The OP clearly ignores most punctuation and apostrophe use, whereas saitama does follow proper rules (even using the odd-looking but IIRC completely correct "it'll".)

Re: unprofessional behavior from KGS admins during/after jub

Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 2:22 pm
by skydyr
RBerenguel wrote:
DrStraw wrote:
saitama wrote:How can you preempt him? Last time I checked, you're not an admin and you can't stop him from posting things here, so unless you count insulting his grammar preempting then I think it's safe to say you're just being rude unnecessarily.
Rather curious that you registered your account one minute before your first post and that all three posts are in this thread. You must be a speed reader to have digested the entire thread in one minute and decided what to reply.

Of course, it is always possible that you could have read it in advance. By the way, have you noticed that the original poster did not post in this thread since you joined?
It's unlikely. The OP clearly ignores most punctuation and apostrophe use, whereas saitama does follow proper rules (even using the odd-looking but IIRC completely correct "it'll".)
As a side note, since this is the nitpicking thread, "it'll" seems perfectly normal and unremarkable to me, as an american with a dialect somewhere between mid-atlantic and southern. No idea if that's the same on the other side of the pond.

Re: unprofessional behavior from KGS admins during/after jub

Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 2:41 pm
by hyperpape
That's nothing. I know folks who use a contraction pronounced roughly "ah-mull"

Re: unprofessional behavior from KGS admins during/after jub

Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 2:41 pm
by xDragon
splatted, thanks.
DrStraw wrote:
saitama wrote:How can you preempt him? Last time I checked, you're not an admin and you can't stop him from posting things here, so unless you count insulting his grammar preempting then I think it's safe to say you're just being rude unnecessarily.
Rather curious that you registered your account one minute before your first post and that all three posts are in this thread. You must be a speed reader to have digested the entire thread in one minute and decided what to reply.

Of course, it is always possible that you could have read it in advance. By the way, have you noticed that the original poster did not post in this thread since you joined?
i do have to sleep sometimes. plus, im using this thread to post inappropriate encounters with admins at this point because ive had a lot of them. i dont really care how some of the users react to my posts because i know how the go community is, they tend to be more passive and let things happen which is how i am to some extent, but theyre actually much more passive to the point where certain people with powers over others can feel like they do whatever they want and those overly passive people will allow it and encourage it. i mean you can easily tell even because said users encourage/compliment the admins when they stop conversations for no reason and then even apologize profusely which is only making the behavior of the admins worse. sure, some of what they do is appropriate but you get the feeling that they have nothing better to do and just want to do things for the sake of reminding people theyre an admin. you cant just sit around and let them do whatever they want or it will get even worse as time goes on, as you can see here, doug and others deciding to try to do an extended ban on me because i dont bow down to them when they try to do something inappropriate

Re: unprofessional behavior from KGS admins during/after jub

Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 3:20 pm
by Pericles
"Passive" ? I plead guilty.

I realized that long ago, in fact, that my play tends to be underly-agressive. I'm actually trying hard to get rid of that weakness by forcing myself to play agressive invasions and sabaki which, to be honest, I'm particularly terrible at.

Years ago, I think it was in the very early 200O's, an admin came to watch a game I was playing. I then thought I had been doing something worth a warning, but actually not. It was my opponent who was sandbagging me. I was too weak to even realize that, heh.
(For the old fellows, the sandbagger was go4976, if that rings a bell to some - Yes traumatizing)
And it happened again ! in about 2005 or 2006, I can't remember precisely. Then "It's not a coincidence" I thought, and started being paranoid over admins. If that were funny at all, I could even say, pissed as I should be "That's the last DrStraw that breaks the Dragon's back" ! (I learnt that one at school)

So I started to hide - like you - with multiple accounts so as not to be hunted. It was so freaky to have admins pop in your games even when you 'd done nothing wrong, yeah - It worked perfectly for a while, and I started gaining a little more confidence back. (I was so down, that I could harldy play any rated games then)

So I played rated games again with an account that was beginning to become my "regular" one. And I taught / was taught too. (I attended Steve's counting lessons live, even !) and I gave teaching games in KTL. There was a nice kid back then, whom was regularly asking for help / reviews / teaching games. I remember him at about 20k, in 2009. I am pretty sure his ID was "XDragon" too, but definitely not the same user, the account probably perished out of inactivity and got taken back.

Oh I forgot to mention I'm also excessively terrible at Direction of Play. Maybe that's why this post doesn't make much sense, just a bunch of random tenuki-talk.

Mister P. (staying anonymous, you can never know who's watching you)

Re: unprofessional behavior from KGS admins during/after jub

Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 4:48 pm
by tchan001
Pericles, when you are a 6D on KGS, there are plenty of people who would want to watch your games especially when there are no other higher level rankers playing. So I'm sure admins watch you more to enjoy your game play rather than to catch a chance to chastise your game playing behavior.

Re: unprofessional behavior from KGS admins during/after jub

Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 6:12 pm
by mhlepore
Rule #1: When you realize you are in a hole, stop digging.

Rule #2: Try to realize when you are in a hole as quickly as possible.

These are good rules in Go. Also can have value in chat room discussions. And dealing with KGS admins.

Re: unprofessional behavior from KGS admins during/after jub

Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 6:14 pm
by DrStraw
mhlepore wrote:Rule #1: When you realize you are in a hole, stop digging.

Rule #2: Try to realize when you are in a hole as quickly as possible.

These are good rules in Go. Also can have value in chat room discussions. And dealing with KGS admins.
Rule#3: If you must dig a hole make sure it is a small one.

Re: unprofessional behavior from KGS admins during/after jub

Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 6:27 pm
by Splatted
I actually used to go to the beach just so I dig holes and sit in them. Is that not normal?

Re: unprofessional behavior from KGS admins during/after jub

Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 6:33 pm
by DrStraw
Splatted wrote:I actually used to go to the beach just so I dig holes and sit in them. Is that not normal?
It depends on who is sitting in it with you.

Re: unprofessional behavior from KGS admins during/after jub

Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 6:38 pm
by Bonobo
mhlepore wrote:[..] a hole [..]
made me do some research … enjoy :-)
Selections from Kurt Tucholsky's short piece, "The Social Psychology of Holes," translated by Harry Zohn
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“The hole is a permanent companion of the non-hole; I'm sorry, but there is no such thing as a hole by itself. If there were something everywhere, there would be no holes, but there wouldn't be any philosophy either, not to mention religion, which is holey in origin. A mouse couldn't exist without a hole, nor could man. It is the final salvation for both when they are hard-pressed by matter. A hole is always a Good Thing.

The strangest thing about a hole is its edge. It's still part of the Something, but it constantly overlooks the Nothing—a border guard of matter. Nothingness has no such guard; while the molecules at the edge of a hole get dizzy because they are staring into a hole, the molecules of the hole get... firmy? There's no word for it. For our language was created by the Something people; the Hole people speak a language of their own.”

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Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy: Holes
Holes are an interesting case study for ontologists and epistemologists. Naive, untutored descriptions of the world treat holes as objects of reference, on a par with ordinary material objects. (‘There are as many holes in the cheese as there are cookies in the tin.’) And we often appeal to holes to account for causal interactions, or to explain the occurrence of certain events. (‘The water ran out because of the hole in the bucket.’) Hence there is prima facie evidence for the existence of such entities. Yet it might be argued that reference to holes is just a façon de parler, that holes are mere entia representationis, as-if entities, fictions.

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