$$Wcm138 Move 138 - W: 2, B: 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . 1 . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . O X . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | . X . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm138 Move 138 - W: 2, B: 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . 1 . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . O X . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | . X . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Strategy and Thoughts
It's worth a couple of points, and unless he wants me to cut at C3 and rip his corner open, it's sente too. Then off to the bottom edge to complete the sente reduction of this corner, before jumping off to the right and seeing if he's going to respond to S6. Even if he doesn't it's very big gote.
Tactics and Variations
If he tenukis completely, "a" is a ladder, else I use "b" and "c" for damage dealing:
$$Wcm138 Move 138 - W: 2, B: 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . 1 . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . O X . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . O X a . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | . X 3 . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | . 4 5 . b . . . . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . c . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm138 Move 138 - W: 2, B: 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . 1 . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . O X . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . O X a . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | . X 3 . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | . 4 5 . b . . . . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . c . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: Malkovich #27 - topazg (1d) vs Numsgil (8k)
Posted: Thu May 27, 2010 2:46 pm
by Numsgil
$$Bcm139 Move 139 - W: 2, B: 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . O X 1 . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | . X . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm139 Move 139 - W: 2, B: 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . O X 1 . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | . X . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Strategy and Thoughts
See my last post, under tactics and variations, second diagram. The order is reversed but it would be easy for white to revert and end up capturing those two black stones.
Yes, empty triangle is ugly. But this is a case where I think it's the strongest move.
Re: Malkovich #27 - topazg (1d) vs Numsgil (8k)
Posted: Thu May 27, 2010 2:53 pm
by amnal
Not for the players...
This is a clear case of thinking too hard. It's actually a horrendous move, which is very poor. White's clamp still works in the corner, and black has made a horrible shape.
It's surely bigger to protect the corner solidly. Trying to get an extra point like this is a good way to end in pain.
Re: Malkovich #27 - topazg (1d) vs Numsgil (8k)
Posted: Thu May 27, 2010 2:54 pm
by topazg
$$Wcm140 Move 140 - W: 2, B: 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O 1 . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | . X . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm140 Move 140 - W: 2, B: 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O 1 . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | . X . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Strategy and Thoughts
Well, if he insists that I keep sente for all this, that's fine by me. The cut still works now (and I'm deciding about that or the clamp at B2. The concern is B2 feels gote, so it's a move I want only when the sente is gone, though it's obviously very big), and I've picked up an extra point. Not only that, but now I'm staring at all sorts of cuts if he lets me keep pushing. What he should have played is as follows:
$$Bcm139 Move 139 - W: 2, B: 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . O X a . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | b X . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | . . 1 . . . c . . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . d . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm139 Move 139 - W: 2, B: 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . O X a . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | b X . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | . . 1 . . . c . . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . d . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I can't bend round easily at "a" as he can just block, "b" is gote, "c" is sente but the followup I want at "d" is gote, and the cut has gone. There's nothing wrong with fixing all your problems and keeping good shape. The empty triangle is just bad here.
Re: Malkovich #27 - topazg (1d) vs Numsgil (8k)
Posted: Thu May 27, 2010 3:18 pm
by daniel_the_smith
My initial reaction to black 139 was "ewwwww."
Re: Malkovich #27 - topazg (1d) vs Numsgil (8k)
Posted: Thu May 27, 2010 3:53 pm
by Numsgil
$$Bcm141 Move 141 - W: 2, B: 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O O 1 . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | . X . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm141 Move 141 - W: 2, B: 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O O 1 . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | . X . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Tactics and Variations
Still doesn't work for white.
$$Bcm141 Move 141 - W: 2, B: 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O O 1 . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | . X 1 4 . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | . 2 3 . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm141 Move 141 - W: 2, B: 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O O 1 . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | . X 1 4 . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | . 2 3 . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I'd like to take sente, but something like this is more points than I really want to give up. And that's assuming there isn't a way to take the corner I didn't read out well. I'm wary of just following him around the board, though, so I'll keep an eye out for a good place to take sente.
$$Bcm141 Move 141 - W: 2, B: 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . O X . . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | 4 X 3 . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | . 2 5 . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm141 Move 141 - W: 2, B: 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . O X . . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | 4 X 3 . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | . 2 5 . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: Malkovich #27 - topazg (1d) vs Numsgil (8k)
Posted: Thu May 27, 2010 3:59 pm
by topazg
$$Wcm142 Move 142 - W: 2, B: 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | . X . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . 1 . . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm142 Move 142 - W: 2, B: 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | . X . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . 1 . . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Strategy and Thoughts
Carrying on my sente fun and frolics. Will play on the right next, and if he responds, I'll clamp at B2. If he doesn't, I'll see what fun and games can be had on the right. For one thing, I can probably play S4 (normally gote) as a sente move, and that'll give me a good amount of endgame on the right side...
Re: Malkovich #27 - topazg (1d) vs Numsgil (8k)
Posted: Fri May 28, 2010 5:19 pm
by Numsgil
$$Bcm143 Move 143 - W: 2, B: 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | . X . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . 1 O . . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm143 Move 143 - W: 2, B: 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | . X . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . 1 O . . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Strategy and Thoughts
I don't want to get in a situation where I follow him around the board, but I think this threatens more than just some points of territory because of the aji of the empty triangle (still think it was a good move, though).
Re: Malkovich #27 - topazg (1d) vs Numsgil (8k)
Posted: Sat May 29, 2010 12:41 am
by topazg
$$Wcm144 Moves 144-146 - W: 2, B: 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | . X . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O . . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . 2 1 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm144 Moves 144-146 - W: 2, B: 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | . X . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O . . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . 2 1 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Strategy and Thoughts
Actually, I don't have enough liberties for the clamp anyway, so I'm going to keep picking up my sente points for a while
Re: Malkovich #27 - topazg (1d) vs Numsgil (8k)
Posted: Sat May 29, 2010 4:08 pm
by Numsgil
$$Bcm145 Moves 145-148 - W: 2, B: 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | . X . . . X 1 O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . 5 X O 2 . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . 3 O 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm145 Moves 145-148 - W: 2, B: 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | . X . . . X 1 O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . 5 X O 2 . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . 3 O 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Strategy and Thoughts
See my last post. If I ignore to take sente I force a sequence that I am afraid white can use to take a huge chunk of the corner, if not kill it out right.
Tactics and Variations
So the reasoning behind my forcing move. Basically, this is a uncomfortable position for black but I don't think white has anything. (We'll see soon, I guess )
$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . O X X 9 X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . O X 8 . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | . X 6 . . X 1 O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | . 7 0 . 2 X O 3 4 O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . O 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . O X X 9 X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . O X 8 . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | . X 6 . . X 1 O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | . 7 0 . 2 X O 3 4 O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . O 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I don't think there's a way to kill this white group or force a seki (just checking )
$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | . X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . X X O O 2 O O X 3 4 O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X O O . 1 . 6 5 7 8 . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | . X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . X X O O 2 O O X 3 4 O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X O O . 1 . 6 5 7 8 . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Threatening something like this is possible in the future, though.
$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | . X . . . X X O O X O X O O 1 X . . . | $$ | . . . . X X O O . O O X 2 4 O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X O O . . . . 6 . 5 3 . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | . X . . . X X O O X O X O O 1 X . . . | $$ | . . . . X X O O . O O X 2 4 O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X O O . . . . 6 . 5 3 . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
If white ignores, though, I still can't kill the bulk of white's group. So it's a big move but not a 100%-absolutely-must-answer for white.
$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | . X . . . X X O O X O X O O 1 X . . . | $$ | . . . . X X O O . O O X 3 4 O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X O O . 6 8 7 . . 5 . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | . X . . . X X O O X O X O O 1 X . . . | $$ | . . . . X X O O . O O X 3 4 O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X O O . 6 8 7 . . 5 . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: Malkovich #27 - topazg (1d) vs Numsgil (8k)
Posted: Sat May 29, 2010 4:57 pm
by Harleqin
$$Bc Alternative to Move 149 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | . X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | . . 1 . . X O O . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bc Alternative to Move 149 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | . X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | . . 1 . . X O O . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: Malkovich #27 - topazg (1d) vs Numsgil (8k)
Posted: Sun May 30, 2010 1:33 am
by topazg
$$Wcm150 Moves 150 - W: 2, B: 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | 1 X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . X X O O . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm150 Moves 150 - W: 2, B: 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | 1 X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . X X O O . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Strategy and Thoughts
Same as before. Black could have prevented this with 149 at C2. After this sente, off to the right hand side...
Re: Malkovich #27 - topazg (1d) vs Numsgil (8k)
Posted: Sun May 30, 2010 1:24 pm
by Numsgil
$$Bcm151 Moves 151-157 - W: 3, B: 2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | 3 O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | 6 X 4 . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | 1 2 5 . X X O O . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X O O . 7 . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm151 Moves 151-157 - W: 3, B: 2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | 3 O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | 6 X 4 . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | 1 2 5 . X X O O . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X O O . 7 . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Trigger: if you defend against 157 at either J2 or K1, 159 takes the ko back.
Strategy and Thoughts
I think he's treating this as a forcing exchange. There isn't a really great followup locally that keeps sente.
But he's chipping away at me by 2 points here and there, and I need to start monkey wrenching some of his plans if I want to win. So I'm going to go for the ko. Given that a whole quarter of the board are my dead stones, I should have way more ko threats than him.
Tactics and Variations
This was my original thought for a good solid 30 minutes. White doesn't have a local sente followup.
$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | . 1 . . X X O O . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | . 1 . . X X O O . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Something like this kills most of the corner.
$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | O X 1 . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | . 2 3 . X X O O . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | O X 1 . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | . 2 3 . X X O O . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
But I went for the direct ko for either side. I think I'll probably win the exchange, dangerous though it may be. It should gain me something like 8 points vs. just defending. If I lose the ko without adequate compensation, I lose the game.
$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | 3 O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | O X 4 . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | 1 2 5 . X X O O . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | 3 O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | O X 4 . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | 1 2 5 . X X O O . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Blocking the other way doesn't work at all. I win without the ko.
$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | 6 O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | O X 2 7 . X X O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | 1 3 4 5 X X O O . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . 8 9 . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | 6 O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | O X 2 7 . X X O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | 1 3 4 5 X X O O . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . 8 9 . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: Malkovich #27 - topazg (1d) vs Numsgil (8k)
Posted: Sun May 30, 2010 1:31 pm
by topazg
$$Wcm152 Moves 152 - W: 2, B: 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | 1 O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | X . . . X X O O . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm152 Moves 152 - W: 2, B: 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | 1 O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | X . . . X X O O . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Strategy and Thoughts
I have no need, or desire, for a ko fight here. Sente is what I'm after.
Re: Malkovich #27 - topazg (1d) vs Numsgil (8k)
Posted: Sun May 30, 2010 3:39 pm
by Numsgil
$$Bcm153 Moves 153 - W: 2, B: 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | X 1 . . X X O O . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm153 Moves 153 - W: 2, B: 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | X 1 . . X X O O . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Strategy and Thoughts
Ah, he's no fun
He still has sente, though.
Tactics and Variations
This doesn't work for white:
$$Wcm152 Moves 152 - W: 2, B: 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | O X 1 2 . X X O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | X X 3 . X X O O . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . 4 . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm152 Moves 152 - W: 2, B: 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | O X 1 2 . X X O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | X X 3 . X X O O . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . 4 . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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