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126. EdLee vs Loons

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Re: 126. EdLee vs Loons

Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 11:09 pm
by cdybeijing
It seems that white has definitely gone wrong somewhere on the right side.

Re: 126. EdLee vs Loons

Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 6:08 pm
by Loons
I'm not yet convinced the previous exchange was necessary, but getting here first at a time when moves in this area were at least to some extent double sente was very good. Perhaps I played too passively sometime in the last twenty moves.

Connecting at a should also be sente against cutting around the marked stone, but I am not sure how sternly I can resist here.
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[go]$$Bcm77 Prisoners: :w2: :b1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . X . O . . X O O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . . . . O . . O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . O . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . X X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . 0 7 8 . . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 6 5 9 . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O X a X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . O 1 . 3 O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . 2 W 4 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

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[go]$$Bcm87 Prisoners: :w2: :b1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . X . O . . X O O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . . . . O . . O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . O . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . X X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X O |
$$ | . . g . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . z 1 . . . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . h . . . . . O X O . . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . y . O X X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , 2 . O X . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . f X . . . . . . x . . O O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
After which I have something like x, and y if I don't want z. I imagine Ed wants to make it to f, g or h first as well somehow.


Gradually thinking of a move.

Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 11:04 pm
by EdLee
:)

(2011 U.S. Go Congress is this week! :clap:
Saturday July 30 - Saturday Aug 6. Busy busy...)

Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 11:53 pm
by EdLee
Loons, US Go Congress is mostly finished for me, and I can breathe a little for about a week,
until Aug 17-21 when I'll be offline. :-|

Re: 126. EdLee vs Loons

Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2011 8:26 pm
by Loons
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[go]$$Bm77 Prisoners: :w2: :b1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . X . O . . X O O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . . . . O . . O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . O . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . X X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O X . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

Sorry about the hiatus, I promise I haven't been thinking the whole time :P.
I think I was overthinking a five point yose before. Or maybe now I am being rash.

Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2011 8:50 pm
by EdLee
Just came home from the U.S. Congress closing ceremony/dinner. Need time to recover. :)

Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2011 11:35 pm
by EdLee
Pondering:
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[go]$$W
$$ . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ , . . . . . X . X X |
$$ . . . . . O X . X O |
$$ . . . . . X . X X O |
$$ . . . . . . X O O O |
$$ . . 3 2 . . X O . O |
$$ . . 1 X . . . X O . |
$$ , . . O X . X . O . |
$$ . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$---------------------+[/go]
Or:
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[go]$$W
$$ . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ , . . . . . X . X X |
$$ . . . . . O X . X O |
$$ . 9 8 . . X . X X O |
$$ . 7 6 . . . X O O O |
$$ . 5 2 3 . . X O . O |
$$ . . 1 X 4 . . X O . |
$$ , . . O X . X . O . |
$$ . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$---------------------+[/go]

Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 4:54 pm
by EdLee
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[go]$$Wm78 Prisoners: :w2: :b1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . X . O . . X O O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . . . . O . . O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . O . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . X X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 1 X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O X . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 5:00 pm
by EdLee
After some rest, it's still this hane :wc:: locally, it seems pretty big:
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[go]$$B :b1: tenuki
$$ . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ , . . . . . X . X X |
$$ . . . . . O X . X O |
$$ . . . . . X . X X O |
$$ . . . . . . X O O O |
$$ . . . 2 . . X O . O |
$$ . . W X . . . X O . |
$$ , . . O X . X . O . |
$$ . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$---------------------+[/go]

Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 5:10 pm
by EdLee
(For beginners.) Variation: :w1: peep is a bad idea because :b2: is sente:
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[go]$$W :w3: tenuki
$$ . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ , . . . . . X . X X |
$$ . . . . . O X . X O |
$$ . . . . . X . X X O |
$$ . . . . . . X O O O |
$$ . . . . . . X O . O |
$$ . . . X . 1 . X O . |
$$ , . . O X 2 X . O . |
$$ . . . O 5 . . O . . |
$$ . . . . 4 O 6 . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$---------------------+[/go]

Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 5:11 pm
by EdLee
Expecting the natural :b1: nobi:
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[go]$$B
$$ . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ , . . . . . X . X X |
$$ . . . . . O X . X O |
$$ . . . . . X . X X O |
$$ . . . . . . X O O O |
$$ . . . 1 . . X O . O |
$$ . . W X . . . X O . |
$$ , . . O X . X . O . |
$$ . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$---------------------+[/go]

Re: 126. EdLee vs Loons

Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 6:28 pm
by Loons
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[go]$$Bcm79 Prisoners: :w2: :b1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . X . O . . X O O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . . . . O . . O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . O . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . X X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . 1 . . . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O X . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

I believe trying to save O4 here would have been slow. I believe Ed capturing O4 now would be slow as well.

Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 6:42 pm
by EdLee
Double hane. Second diagram in Post #202.

Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 6:55 pm
by EdLee
My first feeling is this double hane :bt: is not bad for W,
because it gives W a few sente moves :w3:... :w7:, and then W gets :w9:,
and :bc: starts to get weaker. Let's see if I can do any better...
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[go]$$W
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . X X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 8 . . O X . X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 7 6 . . X . X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 5 4 . . . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . 3 Y 1 . . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X 2 . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O X . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . B . . B . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . 9 B . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

Re: 126. EdLee vs Loons

Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 7:18 pm
by Loons
I guess white is weighing these.
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[go]$$Bcm79 Prisoners: :w2: :b1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . X . O . . X O O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . . . . O . . O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . O . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . X X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . 4 1 2 . . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X 3 . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , 6 . O X . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

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[go]$$Bcm79 Prisoners: :w2: :b1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . X . O . . X O O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . . . . O . . O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . O . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . X X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . 3 1 . . . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 2 O X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O X . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . a . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

I look forward to seeing what and why.
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