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133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

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Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 1:42 pm
by Magicwand
K15
probe before lower left

Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 1:47 pm
by Magicwand
i think i am ahead! I also have thickness. I will display my count when i go home.

Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 1:47 pm
by Kirby
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm151 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . O X . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O . O , X . . O . X X X . |
$$ | . X . X X X . O X 9 X O O X X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . . 0 O X O . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X X O . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . . . O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 2:28 pm
by Kirby
@observers:
I would appreciate input as to what people feel my weaknesses are as a player.

If I were to evaluate myself, I would say that I can see the following areas that I could improve upon (in general terms):

1.) I do not read precisely enough. I get lazy, estimate if something will work, and just go for it.

2.) I do not count precisely. I estimate. I just go with what feels right.

3.) My emotions affect my play.

In general, I think that I lack precision. I should concentrate more and calculate precisely.

What do you guys think?

Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 2:50 pm
by emeraldemon
@Magicwand:

Do you feel Kirby has any particular weaknesses as a player? You've played him quite a few times now. What's your opinion of his game?

Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 5:51 pm
by Shaddy
Kirby wrote:@observers:
I would appreciate input as to what people feel my weaknesses are as a player.

If I were to evaluate myself, I would say that I can see the following areas that I could improve upon (in general terms):

1.) I do not read precisely enough. I get lazy, estimate if something will work, and just go for it.

2.) I do not count precisely. I estimate. I just go with what feels right.

3.) My emotions affect my play.

In general, I think that I lack precision. I should concentrate more and calculate precisely.

What do you guys think?

Kirby,
I think you worry too much.

Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 7:34 pm
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm161 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . O X . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O . O , X . . O . X X X . |
$$ | . X . X X X . O X O X O O X X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . . X O X O . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X X O . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . . . O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . 1 . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]




emeraldemon wrote:@Magicwand:

Do you feel Kirby has any particular weaknesses as a player? You've played him quite a few times now. What's your opinion of his game?

when i started playing go i became 1 dan less than a year.
although i was 1dan i was lacking experience. playing very strong most of time but will play like 5k some times.
i think kirby is in that stage of the game.
he will need to play many games to improve that weakness.

Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 9:22 pm
by Magicwand
after careful analysis...i am down.
close to 10 points.. not too big..

i am sure i will have a chance at least once.
i will wait for that chance and win.

Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2011 5:49 am
by Kirby
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm161 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . O X . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O . O , X . . O . X X X . |
$$ | . X . X X X . O X O X O O X X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . . X O X O . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X X O . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . . . O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . 2 O . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2011 5:49 am
by Kirby
Shaddy wrote:
Kirby wrote:@observers:
I would appreciate input as to what people feel my weaknesses are as a player.

If I were to evaluate myself, I would say that I can see the following areas that I could improve upon (in general terms):

1.) I do not read precisely enough. I get lazy, estimate if something will work, and just go for it.

2.) I do not count precisely. I estimate. I just go with what feels right.

3.) My emotions affect my play.

In general, I think that I lack precision. I should concentrate more and calculate precisely.

What do you guys think?

Kirby,
I think you worry too much.


Thanks, I hadn't thought of that one... :-D

Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2011 7:10 am
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm161 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . O X . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O . O , X . . O . X X X . |
$$ | . X . X X X . O X O X O O X X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . . X O X O . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X X O . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . . . O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X 3 . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . 2 O . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2011 7:13 am
by Kirby
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm161 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . O X . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O . O , X . . O . X X X . |
$$ | . X . X X X . O X O X O O X X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . . X O X O . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X X O . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . . . O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . 4 X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This is a dead shape:
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[go]$$Wcm161 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . O X . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O . O , X . . O . X X X . |
$$ | . X . X X X . O X O X O O X X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . . X O X O . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X X O . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . . . O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . O O B C C . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . O B . C C . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . B . B C C . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . B O . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . B O . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


even if black goes first, unless black can make a second eye in the marked area.

Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2011 8:11 am
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm161 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . O X . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . 5 , . . O . O , X . . O . X X X . |
$$ | . X . X X X . O X O X O O X X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . . X O X O . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X X O . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . . . O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
what i played is an overplay... i need to play them to comeback.

Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2011 9:29 am
by Kirby
Interesting move. I hadn't considered it. This is why I like playing Magicwand. He makes some interesting positions that I never thought of.

Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:48 am
by Kirby
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm161 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X 6 O . . O X . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . O . O , X . . O . X X X . |
$$ | . X . X X X . O X O X O O X X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . . X O X O . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X X O . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . . . O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I thought for a little while about this move. My first instinct is to play here:
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[go]$$Wcm161 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . O X . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O B . . O . O , X . . O . X X X . |
$$ | . X . X X X . O X O X O O X X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . . X O X O . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X X O . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . . . O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


But I'm not sure I like this board position:
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[go]$$Wcm161 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . W . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . O X . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O B . . O . O , X . . O . X X X . |
$$ | . X . X X X . O X O X O O X X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . . X O X O . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X X O . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . . . O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Even to this, I can come up with a calm response, but it makes me wonder about my eye space:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 6 4 1 3 . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X 2 O . . O X . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . 7 O B . . O . O , X . . O . X X X . |
$$ | . X . X X X . O X O X O O X X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . . X O X O . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X X O . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . . . O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This also seems a bit dangerous:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 1 2 . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . 4 X 3 O . . O X . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O B . . O . O , X . . O . X X X . |
$$ | . X . X X X . O X O X O O X X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . . X O X O . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X X O . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . . . O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



So I considered the move in the game:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm161 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X B O C . O X . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . O . O , X . . O . X X X . |
$$ | . X . X X X . O X O X O O X X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . . X O X O . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X X O . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . . . O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I like this move, because it threatens a future play at the marked intersection, above.
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