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Author:  AaronBC [ Fri Jul 12, 2024 10:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: How fast can I rise?
Weekly update:

Tsumego nine minutes.
Awesomebaduk 40 minutes.
Youtube go magic video 14 minutes.
I played 100 minutes.
Reviewed my games for 15 minutes.
Author:  jlt [ Sat Jul 13, 2024 4:24 am ]
Post subject:  Re: How fast can I rise?
We played a game on OGS: https://online-go.com/game/65953512. Aaron was black, I was white. Although White was ahead during the whole game, I didn't feel the game was easy.

I'll post a few remarks for both players that I understand from the AI review. Other comments welcome!

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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . f . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . a . . . . . . . . . . . . . c . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , b . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . e . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . d . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


In this position, White played Q9 but AI prefers a or b. The idea of a is clear: build on the top while putting pressure on Black's left group. If Black plays around b next, don't care and continue to build. I was aware of that possibility but preferred to split the right side, however Q9 was not optimal since it allowed Black R11. A move at b would have been better: if Black c then White makes a base with e. If instead Black e then White makes points with f while putting pressure on the three black stones.

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . d X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . a , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . W . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . b . . W . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . W . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . c . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


In this position Black played L3, however this is not the correct direction. Black seems to be making points at the bottom but after Black L3, White can invade the corner at c, and then take care of his marked group by attaching at d. The idea of the big shimari R4-N4 is not to make points but to make influence, and influence is used to attack. So instead of L3, Black should have attacked at a, and then White would need to defend at b. Then Black can play elsewhere. Black a is locally double-sente, so pretty big.

Note: during most of the game, White missed the opportunity to invade the lower right corner at R3.

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . O . a . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . f . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . h X X X . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | g d c O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . e i . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . b O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . X . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


In this position Black wanted to defend his weak group by attaching at a, but this is a 2.5 pt mistake. AI prefers to play b. Although this doesn't connect the two black groups yet, White doesn't want to separate the two groups with c because if the sequence d-i follows next, White ends in gote and White's upper left corner is damaged.

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . O . X O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . O . O X e . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . O O a d . h , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . c b . . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . g . f . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . X . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


In this position Black separated the two weak white groups with the sequence a-g, however this actually helped White to settle his group O6, and then White didn't have difficulty defending the group K10 by attacking the stone g.
AI thinks that instead of a, Black should have played at h, which puts pressure on Q9, separates the two white groups while increasing Black's potential in the upper right.

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O . . . . . . O . . a . . |
$$ | . O . O . X O . . , b . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . O . O X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . O O X O . d , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X O . . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . O X . O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X . . c . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . X . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . X . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


In this position, Black played a big move at a, which triggered White b. While Black "a" wasn't a really bad move, AI thinks that putting pressure on White with c or d would have been slightly better.

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[go]$$Bc Position at move 70
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O . b . . . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . O . O . X O . . c O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . W . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . a O . O . O . O X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . O O X O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X O . . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . O X . O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . X . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . X . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This move was an endgame mistake, AI thinks that a is 5 points better, however Black's response at b was a turning point of this game. White's last move threatens to cut. Since this Black's group is weakened, Black cannot afford to create another weak group. Instead of b, Black should have played at c. Many continuations are possible but if the following sequence is played


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[go]$$Bc Position at move 70
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 8 4 . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O . 3 2 . . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . O . O . X O . . 1 O 6 . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . 7 . 5 . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . W . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |[/go]


then White does make territory by linking two groups, but Black has made a reduction in sente while strengthening his central group and can still hope to win with good endgame.

A few moves later...
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . X . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X X . . . . X X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X X X X O X O . . X . . |
$$ | . O . O . Y O O O O O O O Z O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . Y Y O . . . . . Z O X . . . |
$$ | . . Y Y Y . O Z Z . Z . . Z O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . Z . Z . Z O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . Z . O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . O . O Z Z . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . O O Z O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X O . . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . O X . O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . X . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . X . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Black's position is now desperate since he can't defend both groups.
Author:  AaronBC [ Sat Jul 13, 2024 6:20 am ]
Post subject:  Re: How fast can I rise?
Thanks for the game and review, jlt. :)
Author:  AaronBC [ Fri Jul 19, 2024 11:52 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: How fast can I rise?
For the week.

Tsumego: six minutes.
awesomebaduk: 10 minutes.
Pro game review: 29 minutes.
Played one hour 58 minutes.
Reviewed my games two minutes.
Author:  AaronBC [ Fri Jul 26, 2024 10:56 pm ]
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Past week:

Only three minutes of tsumego.
40 minutes at awesomebaduk.
A little under three hours of play.
18 minutes of reviewing my games.
Author:  AaronBC [ Tue Aug 27, 2024 12:42 am ]
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Monthly update:

77 minutes of tsumego.
nine hours 52 minutes of play.
50 minutes reviewing my games.
23 minutes on awesomebaduk.
16 minutes reviewing pro games.
Author:  AaronBC [ Fri Sep 27, 2024 12:51 am ]
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Monthly update:

74 minutes tsumego.
13 and a half hours of playing.
75 minutes of reviewing my games.
55 minutes of studying pro games.
Four and a half minutes reviewing katago games.
I canceled my awesomebaduk subscription.
Author:  gennan [ Fri Sep 27, 2024 7:21 am ]
Post subject:  Re: How fast can I rise?
So you're currently almost 4 months in of the 1 year period you gave yourself to rise from 3k OGS to about 2d OGS.

How do you feel it's going? Do you feel that you're still on track to reach your goal?
Author:  AaronBC [ Sat Sep 28, 2024 12:06 am ]
Post subject:  Re: How fast can I rise?
gennan wrote:
So you're currently almost 4 months in of the 1 year period you gave yourself to rise from 3k OGS to about 2d OGS.

How do you feel it's going? Do you feel that you're still on track to reach your goal?


I don't feel like I've made much progress. I might be happy if I hit 1d.
Author:  AaronBC [ Sun Sep 29, 2024 7:00 am ]
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I had an interesting game today. Quite tense.
Author:  AaronBC [ Sun Oct 27, 2024 1:29 am ]
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Monthly update:

Played for over 34 hours and 46 minutes.
Tsumego for over 4 hours.
Reviewed my games with ai-sensei for over 4 hours and 21 minutes.
Reviewed pro games for an hour and 39 minutes.
Watched youtube videos on go for four hours and 25 minutes.
Book study for 32 minutes.
Joseki study for 14 minutes.
Author:  AaronBC [ Wed Nov 27, 2024 7:41 am ]
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Put less time in this month.

One hour and 12 minutes for tsumego.
14 hours and 20 minutes of playing.
Less than 10 minutes reviewing my games.
About 40 minutes reviewing pro games.
Author:  AaronBC [ Thu Dec 26, 2024 11:17 pm ]
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Only a little this month:

52 minutes of tsumego.
Seven hours and 16 minutes of play.
15 minutes of of reviewing my games.
Seven minutes reviewing pro games.
Author:  Knotwilg [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 6:16 am ]
Post subject:  Re: How fast can I rise?
You seem to have followed my advice of logging your progress as a KPI. And it seems to be going down. Compared to when you started out this exercise, let me ask a few questions:

- Has your rank increased?
- Regardless, do you feel your level of understanding has increased?
- Has your motivation increased or decreased
- Which activities do you like more than before? Which less?
- Have your goals changed since the start? How do you look at your go future now?
Author:  AaronBC [ Fri Jan 31, 2025 9:44 pm ]
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I've actually lost a stone from the start of this. I'm not too disappointed about it though.

For now at least, I intend to stop updating this journal.

I think I'll still play some, but not as much.
Author:  dust [ Sat Feb 01, 2025 5:15 am ]
Post subject:  Re: How fast can I rise?
Sorry to hear...

I think, from my experience, the OGS grades in the 4k - 1d range seem a bit flaky* - and difficult to benchmark personal progress against.

*I play at 2d on KGS, 1d+ on IGS - but sometimes seem to be wiped out by 100 points plus by a 3k or 4k on OGS. The dan grades seem a bit more stable in my experience.
Author:  AaronBC [ Sat Feb 01, 2025 6:51 am ]
Post subject:  Re: How fast can I rise?
Thanks for the input, dust.

That's something to consider.
Author:  AaronBC [ Sun Feb 02, 2025 12:27 am ]
Post subject:  Re: How fast can I rise?
Well, actually I think I'll continue after all.

Knotwilg, I'll answer your questions.

Like I wrote a couple of days ago, I've gone down a stone.

I can't tell if my understanding has increased or not.

For motivation, it's been low the past few weeks(partly due to focusing on other things), but I'm feeling more motivated right now.

I don't think what I like has changed.

For my goals, it seems I'm not progressing the way I would have liked, but I just want to put in the work and see where it takes me.
Author:  AaronBC [ Fri Feb 28, 2025 11:30 pm ]
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February:

Tsumego was about three or four hours.
About 15 hours playing.
24 minutes reviewing pro games.
About an hour watching videos.
About 19 minutes on neuralnetgoproblems.com.
Author:  S0nge [ Mon Mar 03, 2025 6:39 am ]
Post subject:  Re: How fast can I rise?
Hi Aaron,

I see that you have some correspondance games going on. If you want to play a teaching one, feel free to ask.
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