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Author: | Redundant [ Mon Oct 25, 2010 1:21 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Teamovitch #1 |
Chew Terr wrote: White Internal: White Internal: |
Author: | Joaz Banbeck [ Mon Oct 25, 2010 9:36 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Teamovitch #1 |
For teammates and observers: |
Author: | Redundant [ Mon Oct 25, 2010 9:59 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Teamovitch #1 |
Author: | Chew Terr [ Mon Oct 25, 2010 11:35 pm ] |
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White suggestion: |
Author: | Jordus [ Tue Oct 26, 2010 12:06 am ] |
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Internal Black chat: |
Author: | topazg [ Tue Oct 26, 2010 1:36 am ] |
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For observers: |
Author: | topazg [ Tue Oct 26, 2010 1:59 am ] |
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Further thoughts for observers: Also, for observers: |
Author: | Jedo [ Tue Oct 26, 2010 8:10 am ] |
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Black internal chat |
Author: | Joaz Banbeck [ Tue Oct 26, 2010 8:50 am ] |
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Internal black chat: |
Author: | Joaz Banbeck [ Tue Oct 26, 2010 9:01 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Teamovitch #1 |
I have a request for observers. I'm finding it tricky to tread the path between not saying anything, and naming specific continuations. It is very difficult to say exactly why a move might be good or bad without talking about the moves that follow. I can't always appeal to principles. If I do it too much, I might be giving our team an unfair advantage. But 'too much' is relative to how much Topazg is doing. I'd like one or more observers to ( publicly? privately? ) tell Topazg and I if we are doing about the same / less / more discussion of future continuations compared to the other captain. Thanks -JB |
Author: | topazg [ Tue Oct 26, 2010 9:12 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Teamovitch #1 |
FWIW, and not knowing the answer to your questions for obvious reasons, I'm quite happy with you doing as you see fit. If you give away too much, the experience may or may not be as educational for the soldiers. If you give away too little, the experience may or may not be as educational for the soldiers. Trying too hard to match the other captain I think will be a detriment to just doing what you think is the most informative way of posting. Game balance isn't that important for a game like this ![]() EDIT: Was going to add "Besides, the more help you give them, the more sweet our victory will be", then decided against it, then thought I'd put it in anyway ![]() |
Author: | kokomi [ Tue Oct 26, 2010 10:35 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Teamovitch #1 |
Joaz Banbeck wrote: I have a request for observers. I'm finding it tricky to tread the path between not saying anything, and naming specific continuations. It is very difficult to say exactly why a move might be good or bad without talking about the moves that follow. I can't always appeal to principles. If I do it too much, I might be giving our team an unfair advantage. But 'too much' is relative to how much Topazg is doing. I'd like one or more observers to ( publicly? privately? ) tell Topazg and I if we are doing about the same / less / more discussion of future continuations compared to the other captain. Thanks -JB tough request. read through the thread again. I would say move 2 and move 3, the captains are giving more or less the same amount of instruction. |
Author: | Joaz Banbeck [ Tue Oct 26, 2010 12:58 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Teamovitch #1 |
To observers: topazg wrote: ...Trying too hard to match the other captain I think will be a detriment to just doing what you think is the most informative way of posting. Game balance isn't that important for a game like this ... I disagree with this, so at least tell me. Whether or not you tell Topazg is up to you. ![]() @Kokomi: Thank you. |
Author: | tj86430 [ Tue Oct 26, 2010 1:07 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Teamovitch #1 |
My suggestion for white: |
Author: | topazg [ Tue Oct 26, 2010 1:21 pm ] |
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For the team: |
Author: | Jedo [ Tue Oct 26, 2010 1:58 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Teamovitch #1 |
Suggestion for black move 5: |
Author: | Joaz Banbeck [ Tue Oct 26, 2010 2:26 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Teamovitch #1 |
For observers: EDIT: and teammates |
Author: | emeraldemon [ Tue Oct 26, 2010 8:59 pm ] |
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Observers only: |
Author: | fwiffo [ Tue Oct 26, 2010 9:13 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Teamovitch #1 |
My suggestion for move 5: |
Author: | emeraldemon [ Tue Oct 26, 2010 9:37 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Teamovitch #1 |
because I like playing with the pro database, here's some stats on this unusual fuseki: Move = number plays / total = percentage 1 = 27528/51716 = 53% 2 = 148/27528 = 0.5% 3 = 1/148 = 0.7% 4 = 1/1 = 100% I was surprised to find the 3-5 is so rare: for move 2 it's even less popular than 3-3. For move 3 in this position it is similarly rare, although the sample size is much smaller. Of course, the fact that a move isn't played much by pros doesn't necessarily make it bad, especially for amateurs. My guess is most mistakes at this stage tend to be washed away by the midgame... |
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