Thank you for summing that up, silviu22! I'm definitely looking forward to her playing Ueno Asami in the Senko/Saikyo, I'm sure it'll be a great game.
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| Author: | jlt [ Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:57 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Following Nakamura Sumire |
Ah, that makes sense. When I don't understand a word written by John, I keep wondering if it's
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| Author: | Ferran [ Mon Jun 29, 2020 3:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Following Nakamura Sumire |
jlt wrote: Ah, that makes sense. When I don't understand a word written by John, I keep wondering if it's
F) all of the above Take care |
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| Author: | Ferran [ Tue Jun 30, 2020 3:08 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Following Nakamura Sumire |
BTW, shouldn't she be about to reach 2d? According to John Power she already has 24 wins from 2019, and, so far, at least 10 in 2020. Now, some of those won't be official, I guess, but even so... Take care. |
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| Author: | jlt [ Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:02 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Following Nakamura Sumire |
Do these wins include matches in women-only tournaments which don't count for dan promotion? |
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| Author: | John Fairbairn [ Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:12 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Following Nakamura Sumire |
There are three categories of Nihon Ki-in games: 1. Official tournament games that count for promotion, but these vary according tot he type of promotion. Automatic promotions for winning titles are limited to a relatively few events. 2. Official tournament games that do not count for promotion. Those excluded are women's games, some preliminaries of international events. But games against amateurs are generally allowed to count for promotion. 3. Unofficial "free" games, which means stuff like national squad games, exhibition games, and the like. If you count all three categories, Sumire has played a lot more than just the official games. I have about 80 of her games in the GoGoD database. It's too much effort to count how many of her games count for promotion, but a very quick eyeball scan leads me to believe she's about two-thirds of the way to 2-dan (she needs 30 wins). The wins that count for promotion are only those in the following events (not all of which still run, but past wins still count): Kisei (inc. versus amateurs) Meijin Honinbo Oza Tengen Gosei Judan Shinjin-O Ryusei (inc. Tenfu Cupversus amateurs) Agon-Kiriyama Cup (inc. versus amateurs) Young Carp O-Kage SGW (inc. versus amateurs) Samsung (main event only) LG (main event only) Nongshim Chunlan Mlily (main event only) Globis Cup Xinao (main event only) Kuksu Mountains NK World Ch'p Tenfu Cup So, things like the NHK and Okan and team events don't count. For 6-dan and below, players who fail to meet the criteria under Type 2 can earn promotion by being one of the top two money winners at each rank. |
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| Author: | Ferran [ Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:21 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Following Nakamura Sumire |
John Fairbairn wrote: 2. Official tournament games that do not count for promotion. Those excluded are women's games, some preliminaries of international events. But games against amateurs are generally allowed to count for promotion. Wait, what? A game against an Ama counts but not against women? Quote: The wins that count for promotion are only those in the following events (not all of which still run, but past wins still count): [...] Young Carp [...] O-Kage [...] So, things like the NHK and Okan and team events don't count. [...] For 6-dan and below, players who fail to meet the criteria under Type 2 can earn promotion by being one of the top two money winners at each rank. So... many... questions... I'll limit myself to three... Four. Four it is. Young carp... Does it have any link with the carp-to-dragon fable? O-Kage... Shadow? Mirage? Or something else entirely? I'd find that quirky for a tournament name. And the NHK not counting... too fast or something else entirely? Because I seem to recall that the Ryuusei was about as fast. How do they check money winners? Same tournaments? Do they count all of them? Exhibition matches? Sometimes I get the feelng it's one of these things were "everybody [ie. Japanese] knows" what they mean, so they don't mean all when they really "mean" "all". Thanks. Take care. |
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| Author: | John Fairbairn [ Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Following Nakamura Sumire |
Brief and incomplete answers, or tell me where to send the invoice. 1. O-Kage The title of this tournament means "thank you for your support" and refers to the fact that the Akafuku sweets company owned by the Hamada family at Kotai Jingu shirine in Ise was banned from October 2007 to February 2010 by local trading standards officers for allegedly using expired ingredients and then mislabelling the products. The 300-year-old company made changes to avoid reoccurrence of the problems and was then allowed to resume production, at which point it mounted a major PR drive. This tournament, with a final broadcast on the Nihon Ki-in Yugen no Ma network, was part of the campaign to thank customers for their support. The product is a rice-paste mochi flavoured with red-bean paste, sold mainly in Ise souvenir shops. 2. Young Carp You might know it as Hiroshima Aluminium Cup, but I avoid that partly because most Americans don't spell aluminium properly, but partly to show it is a young players' event It is restricted to male and female Nihon Ki-in players under 31 and below 6-dan. There is a preliminary leading to a final knockout for 14 player plus the top two from the previous term as seeds (16 players in Term 1), with a single-game final. The young carp (wakagoi) is a symbol used for young boys (though a woman won the first event) but also alludes to the local Hiroshima Carps baseball team. 3.Women's games here means games in women's events. 4. I've never bothered to check out precisely why the NHK is excluded, but the NHK doesn't have preliminaries. Players are seeded in on the basis of money earned in the previous year, with a slight bias to favour younger players. The Ryusei does have preliminaries. The criterion for games for promotion is that the even must be open to all (which the NHK is therefore not), but again with a slight bias for younger players, hence the inclusion of some age-restricted events. 5. I don't know how to count the money. Never had enough to practise. Too busy answering questions. Which is why I don't allow emails from L19. |
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| Author: | Ferran [ Fri Jul 03, 2020 2:06 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Following Nakamura Sumire |
John Fairbairn wrote: Brief and incomplete answers, or tell me where to send the invoice. Tempting, very tempting. In any case, and in my... best... Adm. Kirk voice... "An incomplete answer? You, John? That's extraordinary." [ST IV] Quote: 1. O-Kage The title of this tournament means "thank you for your support" Ok, one of those "only in Japan...". Gotcha. Quote: 3.Women's games here means games in women's events. My point is diluted, but it still stands, I believe. Thank you for your time. I'll leave you with your seminar with uncle $crooge. Take care. Thanks, really. |
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| Author: | silviu22 [ Fri Jul 03, 2020 1:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Following Nakamura Sumire |
Here's her status as far as I can tell in the Japanese tournaments (Black=still in it, Red=eliminated, Pink=did not participate). June 2020 games are in Green. The dates are for my reference to know when to look again: Male+Female tournaments:
Women-only tournaments:
Her 2020 record is 10-11. Total record (2019-2020): 27-18. She is 3-1 since the restart: June 18: defeated Sano Takatsugu 8P in Oza 69 Prelim C. June 25: defeated Deguchi Mariko 1P in Senko 5 final Prelim. June 29: defeated Araki Issei 4P in Ryusei 30 Prelim B. July 13: Lost to Ueno Asami (3p, Female Honimbo, #398 3121) in 1st round of Saikyo 5. |
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| Author: | Ember [ Sat Jul 04, 2020 3:17 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Following Nakamura Sumire |
Thank you for summing that up, silviu22! I'm definitely looking forward to her playing Ueno Asami in the Senko/Saikyo, I'm sure it'll be a great game.
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| Author: | ez4u [ Sun Jul 12, 2020 6:49 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Following Nakamura Sumire |
In mamumamu's latest rating list (through the end of June), Sumire is now ranked 237th out of 445 rated Japanese professionals. She still has a long road ahead of her, but this puts her ahead of such well-know female former title holders as: Kobayashi Izumi (241), Kato Keiko (259), Chinen Kaori (263), and Yoshihara Yukari (280). For comparison Fujisawa Rina is now ranked 38th and Ueno Asami is ranked 63rd. |
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| Author: | John Fairbairn [ Mon Jul 20, 2020 3:33 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Following Nakamura Sumire |
Sumire got knocked out in Round 1 of the 5th Senko Cup by Ueno Asami. She has also signed up to play a series of 12 games in four three-game matches with Koreans. This is a tie-up between Cyberoro and Yugen no Ma, called Sumire's Oro Challenge. The games are 10 minutes each + 3x40s. She lost the first match against Korean Women's No. 2 Kim Ch'ae-yeong 6-dan by 0-3. Match 2 should have been completed by now, but I haven't seen the result but as it was against Seo Neung-uk 9-dan, once the world's best fast player, even one win would be a major triumph. Shen next plays Seo Pong-su, and finally (1 August) meets Cheong Yu-chin, a new 14-year-old 1-dan. |
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| Author: | Ferran [ Mon Jul 20, 2020 3:43 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Following Nakamura Sumire |
John Fairbairn wrote: Match 2 should have been completed by now, but I haven't seen the result but as it was against Seo Neung-uk 9-dan, once the world's best fast player, even one win would be a major triumph. This one? Take care |
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| Author: | Shenoute [ Fri Jul 24, 2020 12:51 am ] | ||
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Seen on Tygem today.
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| Author: | John Fairbairn [ Mon Jul 27, 2020 4:53 am ] |
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Sumire lost her 3-game match with Seo Neung-uk 9-dan, but did win her first game (Game 2) in the four-opponent series, by 3.5. It's her second win against a 9-dan. |
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| Author: | John Fairbairn [ Mon Aug 24, 2020 11:22 am ] |
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Sumire beat Takao Shinji, 9-dan and multiple title holder, in a National Squad internet game (15 August 2020). Improvements in her style are also being noticed (and in that regard, note that Takao is a squad coach). In official games, she is currently on 10-12, steadying the ship with a 2-2 score since last month. Even though she is one of the newest pros, she is joint top with two others in the race to get to 2-dan based on number of wins. Ueno Asami is also continuing to keep the distaff flag flying high. She beat Shida Tatsuya 8-dan in the NHK Cup to proceed to Round 3. |
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| Author: | John Fairbairn [ Mon Sep 07, 2020 1:58 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Following Nakamura Sumire |
Next big step to be taken by Sumire: she will transfer her registration to the Nihon Ki-in Tokyo branch from January 2021. This will offer her stronger competition. At the lower ranks, tournament preliminaries are organised within branches, so that for the most part Sumire would face only Kansai branch pros if she stayed in Osaka. There are more pros in Tokyo, and they at least believe they are stronger than their Kansai counterparts (who in turn believe they are stronger than their Kansai Ki-in counterparts, and they've got the likes of Iyama to prove it). This transfer by Sumire has been on the cards for some time, but interrupting schooling was a problem. However, next April she has to move up to junior school anyway. Her physical move will presumably be just before that. Coincidentally, another Nakamura heads the list of nominations for the Nihon Ki-in Hall of Fame, which is a little bid odd in some ways, as Sumire is probably more famous than all of them! Doseki is the other Nakamura, and he is joined by Yasui Sanchi, Honinbo Satsugen, Karigane Junichi, Takagawa Kaku, Fujisawa Hideyuki and Araki Naomi. That must be close to the toughest list ever to choose from, so I expect there must be a good chance of multiple inductees this year (in October). The name Araki Naomi will probably be unfamiliar to most of you but he is a very worthy candidate. He was Japanese professor of medicine and Chancellor at Chiba University but his most important job was editing and collecting games of many past players (Shuwa, Shuei, Shusaku, Jowa, Shuho). The works on Shuwa and Shuho were unfinished at his death on 1962 but were completed by his widow, Fujiko. A minor sideline was that he was the first chairman of the Igo Bunka-kai (Go Cultural Society) which he formed with Mitamura Tokushiro in 1954. It published a ground-breaking typewritten Japanese Go Journal in English. From memory he was instrumental also in launching the first international amateur tournament in 1963 and Go Monthly, so those of you in the west should be backing his nomination. Elsewhere, the resurgence of go among Japanese women continues. A well known manga/anime voice actress, Terui Haruka, has spent the lockdown since March in studying go and has just achieved 1-dan (from scratch). She said she just lost track of time playing over games. She learnt about go from a tv programme called Go Focus. She had been vaguely aware of Hikaru no Go before that, but that was not her source of inspiration. But possibly her own achievement might spark off another go manga in the near future. |
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| Author: | silviu22 [ Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:32 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Following Nakamura Sumire |
Sumire lost in Ryusei 30 on July 20 and won on Sept 9 in Female Kisei since my last update. The Kisei game is much more important result, since she now made it to the main tournament for 2nd year in the row. Here's her status as far as I can tell in the Japanese tournaments (Black=still in it, Red=eliminated, Pink=did not participate). June 2020 games are in Green. The dates are for my reference to know when to look again: Male+Female tournaments:
Women-only tournaments:
Her 2020 record is 11-12 as far as I can tell. Total record (2019-2020): 28-19. She is 4-2 since the restart: June 18: defeated Sano Takatsugu 8P in Oza 69 Prelim C. June 25: defeated Deguchi Mariko 1P in Senko 5 final Prelim. June 29: defeated Araki Issei 4P in Ryusei 30 Prelim B. July 13: Lost to Ueno Asami (3p, Female Honimbo, #398 3121) in 1st round of Saikyo 5. July 20: Lost to Nakano Shou (1p, ???) in Ryusei 30 prelims. Sept 9: Defeated Yasuko Asano 2p or Akiko Tsukuda 5p in Female Kisei 24 prelims and made it to main tournament. |
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| Author: | silviu22 [ Sat Sep 19, 2020 7:14 am ] |
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Sumire has been a busy girl this week and played 4 games (all wins!). She won 3 games on Sept 14th vs Honda Mariko 1p, Miyamoto Chiharu 1p and Omori Ran 1p in Hiroshima 15. So she did one better than last year and made it to the main tournament. She also defeated Ishida Atsushi (9p, #726 2928) on Sept 17 in Oza 69 prelims. I think this is her biggest victory so far. Will play Gao Lin Zhenghong (?) 7p next. This means she has improved to 15-12 for 2020. Also, the female Kisei 24 main bracket has been decided: she will play again a member of the Ueno clan in the first round. This time it is a more suitable opponent: Ueno Risa 1p. Here's her status as far as I can tell in the Japanese tournaments (Black=still in it, Red=eliminated, Pink=did not participate). Sept 2020 games are in Purple. The dates are for my reference to know when to look again: Male+Female tournaments:
Women-only tournaments:
Her 2020 record is 15-12 as far as I can tell. Total record (2019-2020): 32-19. Current ranking on goratings.org: #770, 2901. (However, this doesn't include her last 4 wins). She is 8-2 since the restart: June 18: defeated Sano Takatsugu 8P in Oza 69 Prelim C. June 25: defeated Deguchi Mariko 1P in Senko 5 final Prelim. June 29: defeated Araki Issei 4P in Ryusei 30 Prelim B. July 13: Lost to Ueno Asami (3p, Female Honimbo, #398 3121) in 1st round of Saikyo 5. July 20: Lost to Nakano Shou (1p, ???) in Ryusei 30 prelims. Sept 9: Defeated Yasuko Asano 2p or Akiko Tsukuda 5p in Female Kisei 24 prelims and made it to main tournament. Sept 14: Defeated Honda Mariko 1p, Miyamoto Chiharu 1p and Omori Ran 1p in Hiroshima 15 prelims and made it to main tournament. Sept 17: Defeated Ishida Atsushi (9p, #726 2928) in Oza 69 in Prelim B 1st round. |
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| Author: | silviu22 [ Sat Oct 03, 2020 5:51 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Following Nakamura Sumire |
Sumire is out of Oza 69 after losing to Takabayashi Masahiro 7p (2784) on Oct 1st. 2020 results: 15-13, overall: 32-20 The other child prodigy (Wu Yimming 2p from China) defeated Xie Yimmin 6p from Japan in 1st round of 3rd Qingyuan Cup. She lost her 2nd game, but still, I believe she is stronger than Sumire right now. |
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