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Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited

Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 3:06 pm
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm141 Has captured: B - 5, W - 5
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . X X . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . X O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . O . . . O X X X . X X X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X . X O . X O X X X . . |
$$ | X O O O . O . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , X O . . . , . . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . . X 3 . O . . . . . . |
$$ | O O O O O . . . . . X O O X . . . . . |
$$ | X X X O . . O . . . O X X X O O O . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | O . O X . X X O . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O X . O , O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | O X O X . X . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X X O O O . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited

Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 3:14 pm
by Kirby
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm141 Has captured: B - 5, W - 5
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . X X . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . X O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . O . . . O X X X . X X X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X . X O . X O X X X . . |
$$ | X O O O . O . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , X O . . . , . . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . . X O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | O O O O O . . . . . X O O X . . . . . |
$$ | X X X O . . O . . . O X X X O O O . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | O . O X . X X O . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . 4 O X O O X . O , O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | O X O X . X . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X X O O O . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Ko threat...

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited

Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 3:52 pm
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm141 Has captured: B - 6, W - 5
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . X X . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . X O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . O . . . O X X X . X X X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X . X O . X O X X X . . |
$$ | X O O O . O . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . . X . . . . . 7 . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , X O . . . , . . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . . X . 6 O . . . . . . |
$$ | O O O O O . . . . . X O O X . . . . . |
$$ | X X X O . . O . . . O X X X O O O . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | O 5 O X . X X O . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . 4 O X O O X . O , O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | O X O X . X . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X X O O O . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited

Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 6:43 pm
by Jedo
Instead of making a threat that last time, why didn't Kirby just connect?

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm141 Has captured: B - 5, W - 5
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . X X . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . X O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . O . . . O X X X . X X X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X . X O . X O X X X . . |
$$ | X O O O . O . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , X O . . . , . . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . . X O . O . 6 . . . . |
$$ | O O O O O . . . . 4 X O O X . . . . . |
$$ | X X X O . . O . . . O X X X O O O . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O . . . . . . 5XX X X . . |
$$ | O . O X . X X O . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O X . O , O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | O X O X . X . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X X O O O . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


45 and 46 seem to be miai, so It doesn't really seem like white can cause that much trouble.

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited

Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 3:47 pm
by Kirby
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm141 Has captured: B - 6, W - 5
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . X X . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . X O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . O . . . O X X X . X X X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X . X O . X O X X X . . |
$$ | X O O O . O . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . . X . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , X O . . . , . . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . . X . X O . . . 8 . . |
$$ | O O O O O . . . . . X O O X . . . . . |
$$ | X X X O . . O . . . O X X X O O O . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | O O O X . X X O . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X O O X . O , O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | O X O X . X . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X X O O O . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I have no idea anymore.... :-|

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited

Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 6:23 pm
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm141 Has captured: B - 6, W - 6
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . X X . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . X O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . O . . . O X X X . X X X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X . X O . X O X X X . . |
$$ | X O O O . O . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . . X . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , X O . . . , . . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . . X 9 . O . . . X . . |
$$ | O O O O O . . . . . X O O X . . . . . |
$$ | X X X O . . O . . . O X X X O O O . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | O O O X . X X O . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X O O X . O , O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | O X O X . X . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X X O O O . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
wow.. :) very intresting game.. i might not be able to play another mover for one month.(going on a mission for a month)

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited

Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 10:56 am
by Kirby
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm141 Has captured: B - 6, W - 6
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . X X . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . X O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . O . . . O X X X . X X X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X . X O . X O X X X . . |
$$ | X O O O . O . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . . X . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , X O . . . , . . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . . X O . O . . . X . . |
$$ | O O O O O . . . . . X O O X . . . . . |
$$ | X X X O . . O . . . O X X X O O O . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | O O O X . X X O . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X O O X . O , O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | O X O X . X . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | 0 O X X X O O O . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Ko threat, again...

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited

Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 4:53 pm
by ketchup
Kibitz/Observer only

Kirby wrote:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm141 Has captured: B - 6, W - 6
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . X X . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . X O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . O . . . O X X X . X X X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X . X O . X O X X X . . |
$$ | X O O O . O . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . . X . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , X O . . . , . . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . . X O . O . . . X . . |
$$ | O O O O O . . . . . X O O X . . . . . |
$$ | X X X O . . O . . . O X X X O O O . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O a . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | O O O X . X X O . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X O O X . O , O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | O X O X . X . . b . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | 0 O X X X O O O . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]




Anyone else feels there are multiple benefits for a here? I do not feel like I'm reading everything too well. There's also b to look into. So my question is, as a threat, a or b first?

I personally do not know which is better, but I have a nagging feeling I'm looking at things too straightforward. I think this is a great weakness point for bottom, and might awaken more aji there. I'm leaning towards b. Requesting a different viewpoint on this

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited

Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 5:37 pm
by illluck
I feel neither a nor b seem to be big enough as a threat if white captures.

Edit: gah, that's embarrassing - forgot black group is dead XD Um... can white ignore a?

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited

Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 2:34 am
by ketchup
Observers only:

illluck wrote:
I feel neither a nor b seem to be big enough as a threat if white captures.

Edit: gah, that's embarrassing - forgot black group is dead XD Um... can white ignore a?


Yea, I'm not sure about the timing. I like the aji a lot, and I think there's a lot to work with especially if that black group becomes alive. That's a big if though. The possibilities are there, but I do not read well enough to see how far these threats go(I'm also a bit lazy). I especially enjoy the threats because they definitely make white's group(s) overall weaker. At this moment, magicwand will most likely take the chance, if Kirby decided to play these moves. It seems difficult to pull off, and I think magicwand will bank on Kirby misreading something. It happens a lot in handicap games in general. So I'd say it might become a bit bigger in a few more threats. Maybe after black plays k8.

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited

Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 7:01 pm
by dfan
Magicwand hid this, but Kirby should probably be able to see it (unless Magicwand is on a really secret mission).
Magicwand wrote:i might not be able to play another mover for one month.(going on a mission for a month)

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited

Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 2:24 pm
by Magicwand
i will be back home on nov 8th till then i am busy on mission.
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm151 Has captured: B - 7, W - 8
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . X X . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . X O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . O . . . O X X X . X X X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X . X O . X O X X X . . |
$$ | X O O O . O . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . . X . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , X O . . . , . . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . . X . 2 O . . 3 X . . |
$$ | O O O O O . . . . . X O O X . . . . . |
$$ | X X X O . . O . . . O X X X O O O . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | O O O X . X X O . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | 1 . O X O O X . O , O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | O . O X . X . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | O O X X X O O O . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited

Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 6:01 pm
by Kirby
I would like to resign. Thanks for playing.

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited

Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 1:52 pm
by cyclops
I admired kirby's technical ability in his previous game. It seems in the last game he neglected the proverb to connect handicap stones into the center. In fact his center group is not connected to any of his handicap stones. I am not strong enough to judge but I guess this is the reason for his defeat. Anyway I enjoyed watching this game very much but it gave me bad feelings from the beginning as I am always on the weaker player's side.