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Re: 93: magicwand (4d) vs topazg (1d)

Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 10:36 am
by Magicwand
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[go]$$Bcm131 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . X O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . X . , . . X O . , O O . |
$$ | X O X . . . . X O . . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O X . . . . O . . . . X X . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . 4 . . . . O X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 93: magicwand (4d) vs topazg (1d)

Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 10:51 am
by Joaz Banbeck
To observers:
In the last 4 moves, black just squandered a big opportunity around G8. Now the aji of the C8/C9 stones is gone ( as are the stones themselves ) and black's play at N12 and N8 are almost useless.
Now it starts looking like white wins it.

Re: 93: magicwand (4d) vs topazg (1d)

Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 11:28 am
by topazg
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[go]$$Bcm131 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . X O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . X . , . . X O . , O O . |
$$ | X O X . . . . X O . . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O X . . . . O . . . . X X . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . O . . . . O X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . 5 . . . . . . O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This peep is better than the other one. The other one sucked. This one helps my bottom group and threatens:

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[go]$$Bcm135 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . X O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . X . , . . X O . , O O . |
$$ | X O X . . 7 . X O . . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O X . . . 3 O 6 . . . X X . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O 4 5 O . . . . O X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . 1 . . . . . . O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


So, after he responds, then I'll take my sente, and decide which move I want:

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[go]$$Bcm135 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . . g . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . f . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . h . . . |
$$ | X . X O 8 . . X O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O 7 . . X . . . . c . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O 3 . . X . e . . X O . d O O . |
$$ | X O C 4 5 . . X O . . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O C 6 . . 2 O . . . . X X . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . O . . . . O X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . 1 . . . . . b O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . a . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Magicwand reduced well. I think I had no choice. The alternative:

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[go]$$Bcm131 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . X O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . 4 . , . . . . . , O O . |
$$ | X O X . . . . X O . . . 3 . . O X X O |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X 2 . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . 1 . . . . . O X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Is an instant 12+ point loss on the right, with uncertain gain in the middle. Ok, this might turn out better, but it may be a lot worse too.

Recently, I couldn't crosscut:

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[go]$$Bcm131 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . X O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . 4 6 , . . X O . , O O . |
$$ | X O X . . . 5 X O . . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O X . . . . O 3 . . . X X . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . O X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 93: magicwand (4d) vs topazg (1d)

Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 11:30 am
by Magicwand
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[go]$$Bcm131 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . X O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . X . , . . X O . , O O . |
$$ | X O X . . . . X O . . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O X . . . 6 O . . . . X X . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . O . . . . O X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X . . . . . . O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



easy choice for me

Re: 93: magicwand (4d) vs topazg (1d)

Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 11:36 am
by topazg
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[go]$$Bcm131 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . X O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O 7 . . X . , . . X O . , O O . |
$$ | X O X 8 9 . . X O . . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O X . . . O O . . . . X X . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . O . . . . O X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X . . . . . . O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Let me know if you disagree :)

I'm not playing the single atari after this. It's tiny. I'm going after one of the following:

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[go]$$Bcm131 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . c . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . X O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O 7 . . X . d . . X O . a O O . |
$$ | X O X 8 9 . . X O . . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O X . . . 6 O . . . . X X . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . O . . . . O X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X . . . . . b O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I wish I knew what the score was, but I think I'm doing ok - it's very very close.

Re: 93: magicwand (4d) vs topazg (1d)

Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 11:40 am
by topazg
Heeeey, I've moved "d", and "e" is better than the atari. I've got some interesting options to choose from here. I'm going to start allocating some points to them I think (although my current favourite is "b")

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[go]$$Bcm131 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . c . . . |
$$ | X . X O e . . X O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X . . X . . . . X O . a O O . |
$$ | X O . O X . . X O . . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O . O . . O O . d . . X X . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . O . . . . O X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X . . . . . b O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 93: magicwand (4d) vs topazg (1d)

Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 11:47 am
by Magicwand
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[go]$$Bcm131 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . X O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X . . X . , . . X O . , O O . |
$$ | X O . O X . . X O . . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O . 0 . . O O . . . . X X . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . O . . . . O X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X . . . . . . O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


now i have to find a sequence that will simplify the board.
here are some point of intrests...
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[go]$$Bcm141 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . b . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . c . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . X O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O a . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X . . X . , . f X O . , O O . |
$$ | X O . O X . . X O . . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O . O . . O O . . . . X X . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . O . . . . O X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X . . . . . . O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . e . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . d X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 93: magicwand (4d) vs topazg (1d)

Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 11:53 am
by topazg
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[go]$$Bcm141 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . 3 1 2 . . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . X O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X . . X . , . . X O . , O O . |
$$ | X O . O X . . X O . . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O . O . . O O . . . . X X . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . O . . . . O X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X . . . . . . O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


sente, then the big middle:

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[go]$$Bcm143 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . 1 X O . 6 . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . 2 O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O 4 3 O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . 5 X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . X O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X . . X . , . . X O . , O O . |
$$ | X O . O X . . X O 9 . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O . O . . O O 8 7 . . X X . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . O . . . . O X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X . . . . . . O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 93: magicwand (4d) vs topazg (1d)

Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 12:05 pm
by Magicwand
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[go]$$Bcm141 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . X X O . 4 . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . X O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X . . X . , . . X O . , O O . |
$$ | X O . O X . . X O . . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O . O . . O O . . . . X X . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . O . . . . O X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X . . . . . . O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


what if he played as below???
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[go]$$Bcm141 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . . . 3 2 1 . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . X O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X . . X . , . . X O . , O O . |
$$ | X O . O X . . X O . . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O . O . . O O . . . . X X . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . O . . . . O X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X . . . . . . O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 93: magicwand (4d) vs topazg (1d)

Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 1:10 pm
by topazg
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[go]$$Bcm141 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . X X O . O . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . X O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X . . X . , . . X O . , O O . |
$$ | X O . O X . . X O . . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O . O . . O O . 5 . . X X . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . O . . . . O X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X . . . . . . O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This one comes above the lower right, as White can take tengen in sente. So, this one feels like 6+ points in reverse sente or something. I then connect upwards and the exchange he made at O10+N10 becomes useful for me. I'm positive this game is really, really close, even with the komi.

Re: 93: magicwand (4d) vs topazg (1d)

Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 1:32 pm
by topazg
I spent a lot of this game not thinking that the top was sente:

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[go]$$Bcm141 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . 3 1 2 5 . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O 7 8 O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . X O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X . . X . , . . X O . , O O . |
$$ | X O . O X . . X O . . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O . O . . O O . . . . X X . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . O . . . . O X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X . . . . . . O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Then I realised it was:

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[go]$$Bcm141 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . 3 1 2 5 . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O a 7 O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . b O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . X O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X . . X . , . . X O . , O O . |
$$ | X O . O X . . X O . . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O . O . . O O . . . . X X . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . O . . . . O X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X . . . . . . O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm141 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 7 . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . 3 1 2 5 . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O 6 . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . X O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X . . X . , . . X O . , O O . |
$$ | X O . O X . . X O . . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O . O . . O O . . . . X X . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . O . . . . O X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X . . . . . . O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Funny how the extension always seems hard for me to spot.

Re: 93: magicwand (4d) vs topazg (1d)

Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 2:17 pm
by Magicwand
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[go]$$Bcm141 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . X X O . O . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . X O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X . . X . , . . X O . , O O . |
$$ | X O . O X . . X O . . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O . O . . O O 6 X . . X X . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . O . . . . O X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X . . . . . . O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i think i will have my sente about now...

Re: 93: magicwand (4d) vs topazg (1d)

Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 2:31 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
@Topazg:
Did you consider this?

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . . 2 1 . 3 . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . X O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X . . X . , . . X O . , O O . |
$$ | X O . O X . . X O . . . . . . O X X O |[/go]

Re: 93: magicwand (4d) vs topazg (1d)

Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 2:44 pm
by topazg
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[go]$$Bcm141 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . X X O . O . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . X O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X . . X . , . . X O . , O O . |
$$ | X O . O X . . X O 7 . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O . O . . O O O X . . X X . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . O . . . . O X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X . . . . . . O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


@Joaz

Wow, no I didn't. After he reinforced after that whole sequence up there, I stopped reading it completely. I thought of a few lines before hand, but nothing after that. What a dolt!

I presume magicwand didn't either, or he'd have defended - just goes to show what a crazy game Go is :)

Re: 93: magicwand (4d) vs topazg (1d)

Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 2:56 pm
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm141 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . X X O . O . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . X O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . X . . . 8 . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X . . X . , . . X O . , O O . |
$$ | X O . O X . . X O X . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O . O . . O O O X . . X X . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . O . . . . O X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X . . . . . . O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i think i am losing :)
i will try to make something happen...