126. EdLee vs Loons

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Tue Aug 09, 2011 11:02 am

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Trigger:

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Tue Aug 09, 2011 11:03 am

Loons · Post by **Loons** » Tue Aug 09, 2011 10:33 pm

I accept the trigger. However, I was not expecting

somehow, so move pending...

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Wed Aug 10, 2011 12:16 am

Current:

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EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Wed Aug 10, 2011 12:21 am

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Wed Aug 10, 2011 12:24 am

Another idea is the

area seems a bit over-concentrated for B...
so this result is OK for W ?

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For example, instead of

at (a), if B played

, then the (b) area could become big?
I was worried about

, but had no time to do anything about it.
So I thought

(a) gave me a chance to take

first (as

).

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Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Wed Aug 10, 2011 2:43 am

Loons · Post by **Loons** » Wed Aug 10, 2011 2:46 am

This seems natural, to me;

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I am not confident on the correct use of this cut yet.

Edit: I worked out what I was trying to say with 'a' and 'b'. If black plays

@

directly and white fixes at 'a', black will be able to take the peep at 'b'. However, the proverb says: "Never peep where you can cut!" Just, the order is a bit wonky with my application

.

Hah, sniped by Magicwand

Loons · Post by **Loons** » Thu Aug 11, 2011 7:26 pm

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(Feel free to disagree with

)

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Thu Aug 11, 2011 7:57 pm

Thanks, Loons.

was the only move.

(p)

B missed a chance with

. If W blocks with

, B cuts off

in sente:

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EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Thu Aug 11, 2011 8:01 pm

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Fri Aug 12, 2011 3:42 pm

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(p)

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Fri Aug 12, 2011 4:02 pm

Last night I was tired yet still wanted to play,
but somehow restrained myself to wait, and it was a good choice, I think.
I even saw Loons on KGS and told him as much.
(And found out his time zone is 19 hours ahead, almost one full day in the future!

)

Back in Post #215, I considered perhaps (a) and (b) were miai:

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So if

, I should take

:

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Which is the same shape as in the real game -- since B can always do the

exchange --
only the order was different:

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So if I changed my mind and captured the

stone with

,
it means letting B take both

and

-- both (a) and (b) in Var. 1:

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Somehow I had confused myself -- maybe still tired from Congress and other projects --
and I'm glad I took the sleep first, and

the the above tewari came to me in the shower.

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Fri Aug 12, 2011 4:14 pm

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Loons · Post by **Loons** » Fri Aug 12, 2011 7:00 pm

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