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Re: 132 Kirby vs. tj86430 (4-stone hcp)

Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 4:34 am
by tj86430
Neither am I.

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[go]$$Wcm131 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X X X O . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X O X X O O X X . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O O X X O O X O . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X X O O X X X O O . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O O X X X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . O X . . O . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O X . , . . O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X X . 6 . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . O . . O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . O . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O O . . O X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . O . X . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . , O X . X . X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O O X O . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X X X O . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I should have spent much more time reading this, but I just can't concentrate on this right now. Anyhow, that move looks natural. I still threaten to kill him (I think), and if not, then I can separate L11 and N10 from the rest of the group. If he turns his attention to the left again, then there may be some trouble there, but I should be able to either sort it out or get compensation in the center.

Re: 132 Kirby vs. tj86430 (4-stone hcp)

Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 6:09 am
by Kirby
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[go]$$Wcm131 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X X X O . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X O X X O O X X . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O O X X O O X O . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X X O O X X X O O . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O O X X X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . O X . . O . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O X . , . . O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X X . 6 . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . O 9 . O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . O . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O O . . O X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . O 7 X . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . , O X 8 X . X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O O X O . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X X X O . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 132 Kirby vs. tj86430 (4-stone hcp)

Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 7:06 am
by tj86430
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[go]$$Wcm131 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X X X O . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X O X X O O X X . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O O X X O O X O . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X X O O X X X O O . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O O X X X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . O X . . O . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O X . , . . O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X X . X . 0 X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . O O . O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . O . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O O . . O X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . O O X . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . , O X X X . X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O O X O . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X X X O . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 132 Kirby vs. tj86430 (4-stone hcp)

Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 9:29 am
by Laman
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[go]$$Wcm1 Diagram 215-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X X X O . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X O X X O O X X . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O O X X O O X O . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X X O O X X X O O . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O O X X X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . O X . . O . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O X . , . . O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X X . X . B X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X a . . O O . O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . O . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O O 1 . O X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . O O X . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . , O X X X . X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O O X O . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X X X O . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

just let white live without a word? i would hate to let such a nice fish off my hook. with black 1 instead of his last move, i still can't see two eyes for white, even though the big hole at 'a' is unpleasant and makes the evaluation less clear.

well, black is somewhat ahead anyway and the nasty upper-edge sequence is still waiting there, unseen.

Re: 132 Kirby vs. tj86430 (4-stone hcp)

Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 10:12 pm
by Kirby
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[go]$$Wcm141 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X X X O . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X O X X O O X X . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O O X X O O X O . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X X O O X X X O O . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O O X X X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . O X . . O . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O X . , . . O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X X . X . X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X 1 . . O O . O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . O . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O O . . O X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . O O X . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . , O X X X . X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O O X O . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X X X O . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 132 Kirby vs. tj86430 (4-stone hcp)

Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2012 6:18 am
by tj86430
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[go]$$Wcm141 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X X X O . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X O X X O O X X . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O O X X O O X O . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X X O O X X X O O . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O O X X X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . O X . . O . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O X . , . . O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X X . X . X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . O O . O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . 2 . . . O . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O O . . O X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . O O X . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . , O X X X . X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O O X O . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X X X O . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I thought about letting him connect to safety while securing the lower left corner, which according to my calculations would still give me a small lead, but I'm not willing to do that just yet. This is somewhat complicated, but I think should come out ok. Let's see how he plans to continue.

Re: 132 Kirby vs. tj86430 (4-stone hcp)

Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2012 6:28 am
by Kirby
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[go]$$Wcm141 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X X X O . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X O X X O O X X . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O O X X O O X O . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X X O O X X X O O . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O O X X X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . O X . . O . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O X . , . . O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X X . X . X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . O O . O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X 3 X . . . O . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O O . . O X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . O O X . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . , O X X X . X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O O X O . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X X X O . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 132 Kirby vs. tj86430 (4-stone hcp)

Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2012 6:59 am
by tj86430
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[go]$$Wcm141 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X X X O . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X O X X O O X X . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O O X X O O X O . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X X O O X X X O O . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O O X X X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . O X . . O . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O X . , . . O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X X . X . X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . O O . O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X . . . O . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . 4 . O O . . O X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . O O X . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . , O X X X . X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O O X O . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X X X O . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Let's again hope I haven't misread.

Re: 132 Kirby vs. tj86430 (4-stone hcp)

Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2012 8:19 am
by Kirby
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[go]$$Wcm141 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X X X O . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X O X X O O X X . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O O X X O O X O . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X X O O X X X O O . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O O X X X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . O X . . O . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O X . , . . O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X X . X . X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . O O . O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X . . . O . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . 4 . O O 5 . O X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . O O X . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . , O X X X . X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O O X O . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X X X O . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 132 Kirby vs. tj86430 (4-stone hcp)

Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2012 9:13 am
by tj86430
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[go]$$Wcm141 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X X X O . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X O X X O O X X . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O O X X O O X O . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X X O O X X X O O . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O O X X X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . O X . . O . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O X . , . . O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X X . X . X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . O O . O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X 6 . . O . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . O O O . O X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . O O X . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . , O X X X . X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O O X O . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X X X O . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Ok, he chose to live a small life. I might have been able to prevent it earlier with a more skillful play. However, I think that there no longer is any real danger in the lower left. After the expected answer I must decide what to do next. I believe I'm leading by 20+ points.

Re: 132 Kirby vs. tj86430 (4-stone hcp)

Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2012 9:54 am
by Kirby
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[go]$$Wcm141 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X X X O . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X O X X O O X X . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O O X X O O X O . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X X O O X X X O O . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O O X X X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . O X . . O . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O X . , . . O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X X . X . X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . O O . O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X X 7 . O . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . O O O . O X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . O O X . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . , O X X X . X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O O X O . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X X X O . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 132 Kirby vs. tj86430 (4-stone hcp)

Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 6:49 am
by tj86430
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm141 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X X X O . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X O X X O O X X . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O O X X O O X O . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X X O O X X X O O . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O O X X X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . O X . . O . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O X . , . . O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X X . X . X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . O O . O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X X O . O . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O 8 X . O O O . O X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . O O X . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . , O X X X . X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O O X O . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X X X O . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I considered several alternatives:

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[go]$$Wcm141 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X X X O . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X O X X O O X X . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O O X X O O X O . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X X O O X X X O O e . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O O X X X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . O X . . O . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . a . , . . O X . , . . O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . f O O X X . X . X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . O O . O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . b . X O X X 7 . O d O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . O O O . O X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . O O X . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . c O X X X . X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O O X O . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X X X O . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This is perhaps the most conservative one, but I think I'm leading comfortably, and I can afford to play safe.

This is my count (after B148):

White:

52 upper left
33 upper right
2 lower center
8 bottom right
95 TOTAL

Black:

69 right center
41 lower left
+1 prisoner
111 TOTAL

Re: 132 Kirby vs. tj86430 (4-stone hcp)

Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 4:44 pm
by Kirby
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm141 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X X X O . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X O X X O O X X . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O O X X O O X O . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X X O O X X X O O . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O O X X X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . O X . . O . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O X . , . . O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X X . X 9 X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . O O . O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X X O . O . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . O O O . O X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . O O X . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . , O X X X . X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O O X O . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X X X O . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 132 Kirby vs. tj86430 (4-stone hcp)

Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 4:56 am
by tj86430
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[go]$$Wcm141 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X X X O . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X O X X O O X X . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O O X X O O X O . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X X O O X X X O O . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O O X X X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . O X . . O . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O X . , 0 . O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X X . X O X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . O O . O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X X O . O . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . O O O . O X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . O O X . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . , O X X X . X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O O X O . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X X X O . O . O . O . |
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Hmm, I think I may have omitted one variation in my earlier reading, but I think I should be ok anyhow. This may cost me a couple of points compared to my earlier count, though.

Re: 132 Kirby vs. tj86430 (4-stone hcp)

Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 7:38 am
by Kirby
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$$ | . X X O . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X X X O . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X O X X O O X X . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O O X X O O X O . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X X O O X X X O O . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O O X X X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . O X . . O . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O X . , X . O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X X . X O X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . O O 1 O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X X O . O . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . O O O . O X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . O O X . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . , O X X X . X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O O X O . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X X X O . O . O . O . |
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