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Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

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Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 5:36 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
I approve. Letting black have P16 would be painful.

We are threatening to mess with black's shape and force him low with 'a'. The textbook move to forestall this is 'b', although 'c may work and is more agressive if black is willing to live with the bad aji.
My guess is that Topazg will go with either 'b' or 'c', not finding either one worth two points more than the other. If faced with 'b', Violence will wish for 'c', but probably not find it to be 4 points worth.

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . C C . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . C C . . O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . W , X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . . . a . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . . X . . . . c b . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]

I like Chew Terr's thinking about trying to connect underneath. Any of the circled points threatens the connection and gives us some eyespace. I'm not sure which is best.

Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 1:52 am
by shapenaji
Approved
No choice here really, to play any lighter negates any future attack we might have on the left

Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 8:31 am
by Gresil
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[go]$$Bc 63A: W 33, B 28
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O , X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . . X . . . . B . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The only conceivable response.

Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 8:47 am
by topazg
Approved.

Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 9:04 am
by Violence
Approved.

4 points to change it.... errr... ok...

I would've played it a line lower.

Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 9:50 am
by Chew Terr
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[go]$$Bc 63A: W 33, B 28
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . W . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O , X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . . X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Okay, the question is this: does this group need help. I think the answer is yes, so I am playing a move to build a base. I had considered trying to link, as below, but it seems dicey at best. If we did not need to help this group, I would love to play a big point on the bottom or right, or to get some eyespace while pressuring at L12.
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[go]$$Bc Linking alone seems unsafe
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X W 1 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . 2 3 . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O , X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . . X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]

Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 11:44 am
by Joaz Banbeck
I've gotta think about this a bit.

A few moves ago I mentioned the idea of keeping our center group safe ( well, sort of safe ) by keeping their upper center group short on eyes. That is still important. Indeed it may be twice as important now, since we have a new group that does not clearly have eyes. I would like to reduce them to one eye in sente.

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[go]$$Wc gote for us
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . 5 O 4 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X 6 3 7 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . 2 1 . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O , X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . . X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]


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[go]$$Wc also gote for us
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . 5 O 4 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . 6 3 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . 2 1 . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O , X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . . X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]


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[go]$$Wc no eyes, bad for them, 2 is premature
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . 3 O 2 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . 4 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . 5 1 . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O , X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . . X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]


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[go]$$Wc can't do, they have too many ko threats
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . 7 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X 3 4 5 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X 6 2 1 . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O , X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . . X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]


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[go]$$Wc gote again
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . 9 O 8 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X 3 4 7 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X 5 2 1 . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X 6 X . O . . O , X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . . X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]


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[go]$$Wc we connect, so they won't play 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . 3 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X 5 2 1 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . 6 4 7 . . O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O , X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . . X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]


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[go]$$Wc gote for us
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . 3 O 2 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . 4 1 7 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X 5 6 . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O , X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . . X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]


Playing the atari at J19 - which threatens to start a ko for the life of our upper left group - always seems to be their saving move to make us finish in gote. So, if there is a sequence that reduces them to one eye while maintaining sente, it has to start like this:

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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O , X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . . X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]


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[go]$$Wc we connect
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X 1 . 3 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . 2 . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O , X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . . X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]


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[go]$$Wc zero eyes in gote
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X 1 2 . 5 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X 3 . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X 4 X . O . . O , X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . . X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]


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[go]$$Wc zero eyes in gote
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X 3 . 2 5 . . O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X 4 X . O . . O , X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . . X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]


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[go]$$Wc zero eyes gote
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X 1 . 4 7 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X 5 . 2 3 . . O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X 6 X . O . . O , X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . . X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]


It appears that we can't be sure of finishing with sente. Black will happily trade all of his eye space for the opportunity to connect around us and lock us in like this:

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[go]$$Wc zero eyes but gote
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X O . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X O . X O . . O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X X X . O . . O , X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . . X . B . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]


So first, before going after the upper center black group's eyes, we have to get out. Therefore I'm inclined to reject younger brother's move and extend southward.

Also, to take advantage of any cutting weaknesses of black's most recent keima, we have to be able to attack the piece after we cut it off. This doesn't work if it has an easy connection westward.

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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O , X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . . X . . . . B . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$${AR P14 N14}[/go]


Yeah...after looking at that, I conclude that we MUST push out. But I'm not yet sure where. N14 is the current top candidate.

Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 1:47 pm
by crux
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[go]$$Wc How about this?
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . 4 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X 6 1 2 . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X 3 O . . O , X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X 5 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . 7 X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]


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[go]$$Wc Or this?
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . 4 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . 1 2 . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X 6 X 3 O . . O , X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X 5 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . 7 X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]

Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 2:04 pm
by Magicwand
crux wrote:
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[go]$$Wc How about this?
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . 4 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X 6 1 2 . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X 3 O . . O , X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X 5 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . 7 X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]


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[go]$$Wc Or this?
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . 4 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . 1 2 . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X 6 X 3 O . . O , X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X 5 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . 7 X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]


white group in the middle is not strong enough to play this way.
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[go]$$Bc 63A: W 33, B 28
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X 2 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . W 4 . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X 3 X 1 O . . O , X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . . 5 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . . X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 8:44 am
by Joaz Banbeck
I disapprove.

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[go]$$Bc 63B: W 33, B 30
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . C . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O , X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . . X . W . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Getting out is worth way more than two points. I would have left younger brother's move in place if he had started with J18, which would be sente, but the top is not only the wrong place to play, but, as mentioned in my previous post, L18 is the wrong move to start there.

When trying to get out, any two-space jump to the 13th rank is too far...

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[go]$$Wc Example of two-space jump. Black becomes too strong.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O , X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . 7 3 4 . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . . X . 9 2 5 X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . . 1 6 8 . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . 0 . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . , . . . . . , . . . |[/go]


Any move on the 15th rank is to slow, and we still get locked in.

So that leaves four possiblities:

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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O , X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . . X C C C C X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]


Both of the attachments allow black a strong hane.

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[go]$$Wc ouch
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O , X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . . X . . . 1 X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . . . 2 . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . , . . . . . , . . . |[/go]

So it comes down to one of these:

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O , X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . . X . C C . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . , . . . . . , . . . |[/go]


I couldn't figure out which one was better, so finally I chose one at random. I'll let Shapenaji fine tune at the cost of one point.

My gut feel is that N14 is better for the following reason:

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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O , X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . . . a . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . . X . W . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . , . . . . . , . . . |[/go]


We want to be able to play :w1: to undercut black and go for the weak spot at 'a' like this:

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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X 6 . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O 5 X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . . 4 3 . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . . X . . . . X 7 . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . , . . . . . , . . . |[/go]


But with O14, black gets a dual attack like this:

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O , X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . . X . . W . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . . . B . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . W . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . , . . . . . , . . . |[/go]


Being westward by one space minimizes that.

Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 8:51 am
by Chew Terr
Ah, okay. I had considered moving here, but was concerned that it would toothpaste black into attacking our other group. Perhaps it will be fine, and just induce us into getting that group out. I'll try to keep my options open and hopefully I'll pick the same thing as Joaz next time. I guess sealing us into the top would make black pretty strong up there. Maybe that's worth this tradeoff.

Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 9:26 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
Shapenaji, it's your turn.

Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 9:42 am
by shapenaji
Hey guys sorry for the delay, trying to get everything straightened out for a move out west, and the game just slipped my mind. (PS I'll be unavailable from the 25th to the 1st)

Approved.
Joaz's other move may be better, but I'm alright with this

Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 11:52 am
by Gresil
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc 65A: W 33, B 30
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O , X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . . X . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . B . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



The only move.

If this were just me and Terr playing, this would follow:

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[go]$$Bc 65A: W 33, B 30
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O , X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . . X . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . 1 . 2 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . , 3 . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


But of course the white dans would not have precipitated such a sequence, so white has better moves which we'll see shortly.

Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 11:54 am
by topazg
Happily approved :)

Cut em up, cut em up good!
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