126. EdLee vs Loons

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Fri Aug 12, 2011 7:41 pm

So,

was kind of expected. And this was the position I was looking at before :w88:

.
The two

stones are not cutting stones -- the :bs:

group is now alive --
and later there are still moves like (b). (a) is my sente, but I wonder if it can wait.
Also looking at aji in (c) area, as :w88:

settled that corner.

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EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Fri Aug 12, 2011 9:25 pm

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EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Fri Aug 12, 2011 9:28 pm

Loons · Post by **Loons** » Fri Aug 12, 2011 10:18 pm

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Wed Aug 17, 2011 12:41 am

Loons, I'll be offline until the end of this week (Sunday Aug 21 here),
so you'll have had over 9 days for :b91:

-- I look forward to it.

Loons · Post by **Loons** » Sat Aug 27, 2011 6:38 pm

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EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Sat Aug 27, 2011 8:31 pm

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Mon Aug 29, 2011 12:07 am

I have to assume Loons spent the 15 days reading very deeply many variations here

,
including the obvious two hanes :white:

(a) and

(b). Will take my time here... :study:

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Loons · Post by **Loons** » Mon Aug 29, 2011 4:41 pm

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Not a sequence of moves, a sequence of thoughts. I ended up at 'd' because 'a' 'b' and 'c' all leave a walk-through-able gap with respect to my marked black stone. My group on the left seems thicker than my group on the bottom, so white leaning on it should be less trouble.
So, moves by Ed I'm anticipating:

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'a' seems sente against the triangled cut; I have the circled peep to use but may need to just block in gote anyway (which will be locally quite nice at least)

'd' and 'e' seem like good choices because they're where I want to play. Against them, I think I just fall back.

'b' and 'c' shoulder hits against my third line two space extension are normal tactics (though I think normally earlier in the game), and perhaps the most likely. I will look at sacrificing F3 if Ed plays this way.

'f' I do not expect (famous last words). While black neglected to net those two stones, running with them is heavy; resulting in a gross loss if it does not 'work' stellarly somehow. It is better to aim at this adji with one of the other moves.

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 9:01 pm

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EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 9:14 pm

Loons · Post by **Loons** » Fri Sep 02, 2011 12:15 am

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EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Fri Sep 02, 2011 1:33 am

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EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Fri Sep 02, 2011 1:43 am

Another candidate for :w92:

was

, but I was uncertain of the status of the :bc:

group:

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Also, I was not sure whether pulling :wc:

out with

was a good idea, because it may end up as a heavy group.
In post-game review, I'd be curious to know Loons' plan for :w92:

at (a) and (b).

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Mon Sep 05, 2011 4:27 pm

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