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Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby... Again

Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:46 pm
by Sverre
topazg wrote:Kirby's in real trouble if he has to let his stone get captured here.


I just don't see how Black could possibly lose his stones, there should be plenty of liberties here.

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[go]$$Wc Captured Stones: black 6, white 6
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . X O X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | . O X X . . . X X X X O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . X O O O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O . O X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . 3 1 X X X . X X O O O X O O X . . . |
$$ | . 2 X O O O . . O X O . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . X O , X . . . O X X O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . 4 O . . . . . . . O . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby... Again

Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 2:31 pm
by topazg
Sverre wrote:
I just don't see how Black could possibly lose his stones, there should be plenty of liberties here.


I agree, but he's half talked himself into sacrificing it already :(

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby... Again

Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 5:07 pm
by Kirby
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm131 Captured Stones: black 6, white 6
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . X O X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | . O X X . . . X X X X O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . X O O O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O . O X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X . X X O O O X O O X . . . |
$$ | . 6 X O O O . . O X O . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . X O , X . . . O X X O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


黒の勝ちだと思う。。。

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby... Again

Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 6:04 pm
by Loons
Kirby,
Good ol' google translate. I know that you said

You win and I think the black...


:P

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby... Again

Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 6:09 pm
by Kirby
Almost to where I'll read comments, Loons... :)

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby... Again

Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 6:15 pm
by Jedo
to loons
"I think this is black's victory"

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby... Again

Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 7:39 pm
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm131 Captured Stones: black 6, white 6
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . X O X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | . O X X . . . X X X X O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . X O O O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O . O X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X . X X O O O X O O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O O . . O X O . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . X O , X . . . O X X O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . 7 . O . . . . . . . O . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby... Again

Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 1:26 am
by tj86430
Not for players:

Some interesting possibilities for black:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm1 Captured Stones: black 6, white 6
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . X O X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | . O X X . . . X X X X O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . X O O O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O . O X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X . X X O O O X O O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O O 4 5 O X O . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . X O 1 X 3 6 7 O X X O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . O 2 O . . . . . . . O . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

or

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm1 Captured Stones: black 6, white 6
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . X O X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | . O X X . . . X X X X O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . X O O O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O . O X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X . X X O O O X O O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O O . . O X O . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . X 5 1 X 2 . . O X X O X . . , . . . |
$$ | 9 O 3 O 4 . . . . . . O . . O . O . . |
$$ | . 7 6 . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 8 . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

leaving some cutting points for white to worry about.

this isn't possible for white:

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[go]$$Bcm1 Captured Stones: black 6, white 6
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . X O X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | . O X X . . . X X X X O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . X O O O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O . O X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . 8 O X X X . X X O O O X O O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O O . . O X O . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . X 5 1 X 2 . . O X X O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . O 3 O 4 . . . . . . O . . O . O . . |
$$ | . 7 6 9 . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Or am I again totally missing something?

(I'm not saying that black should play D10 right away, but it seems there are some interesting possibilities)

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby... Again

Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 4:10 am
by topazg
tj86430 wrote:Not for players:

Some interesting possibilities for black:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm1 Captured Stones: black 6, white 6
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . X O X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | . O X X . . . X X X X O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . X O O O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O . O X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X . X X O O O X O O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O O 4 5 O X O . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . X O 1 X 3 6 7 O X X O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . O 2 O . . . . . . . O . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Makes for an interesting trade, but White does get compensation:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm1 Captured Stones: black 6, white 6
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . X O X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | . O X X . . . X X X X O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . X O O O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X O . O . . |
$$ | . . a . . . . X O . O X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . 0 O X X X . X X O O O X O O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O O 4 5 O X O . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . X O 1 X 3 6 7 O X X O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . O 2 O . . 8 . 9 . . O . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Not sure who does better out of this. My gut feeling is that White does, but then of course it is good enough for Black that he gets "a" in sente :)

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby... Again

Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 7:41 am
by lightvector
topazg wrote:
tj86430 wrote:Not for players:

Some interesting possibilities for black:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm1 Captured Stones: black 6, white 6
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . X O X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | . O X X . . . X X X X O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . X O O O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O . O X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X . X X O O O X O O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O O 4 5 O X O . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . X O 1 X 3 6 7 O X X O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . O 2 O . . . . . . . O . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Makes for an interesting trade, but White does get compensation:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm1 Captured Stones: black 6, white 6
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . X O X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | . O X X . . . X X X X O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . X O O O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X O . O . . |
$$ | . . a . . . . X O . O X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . 0 O X X X . X X O O O X O O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O O 4 5 O X O . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . X O 1 X 3 6 7 O X X O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . O 2 O . . 8 . 9 . . O . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Not sure who does better out of this. My gut feeling is that White does, but then of course it is good enough for Black that he gets "a" in sente :)


Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm1 Captured Stones: black 6, white 6
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . X O X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | . O X X . . . X X X X O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . X O O O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X O . O . . |
$$ | . . 1 . . . . X O . O X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X . X X O O O X O O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O O . . O X O . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . X O . X . . . O X X O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . O . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


My impulse is to defend and let white take gote if he wants to defend it.

If white doesn't, then black starts here:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm1 Captured Stones: black 6, white 6
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . X O X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | . O X X . . . X X X X O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . X O O O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X O . O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . X O . O X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X . X X O O O X O O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O O . . O X O . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . X O . X . . 1 O X X O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . O . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If white does, then I would take the huge endgame here:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm1 Captured Stones: black 6, white 6
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . X O X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | . O X X . . . X X X X O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . X O O O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X O . O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . X O . O X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X . X X O O O X O O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O O 1 . O X O . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . X O . X . . . O X X O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . O . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . b . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . a . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . 3 2 . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . 5 4 6 . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . c . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


And then black should be able to get at least two out of three of abc in sente.

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby... Again

Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 6:00 pm
by Kirby
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm131 Captured Stones: black 6, white 6
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . X O X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | . O X X . . . X X X X O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . X O O O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X O . O . . |
$$ | . . 8 . . . . X O . O X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X . X X O O O X O O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O O . . O X O . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . X O , X . . . O X X O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . O . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Well, I feel pretty good about this last turn of events. I think that my double hane was effective in that it leaves the aji at "a":
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm131 Captured Stones: black 6, white 6
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . X O X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | . O X X . . . X X X X O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . X O O O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O . O X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X . X X O O O X O O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O O . . O X O . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . X O a X . . . O X X O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . O . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


What I hated about the position a few moves earlier is that I felt like I was taking so much gote. If I played any of the moves "b", "c", or "d", white can easily tenuki:
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[go]$$Wcm131 Captured Stones: black 6, white 6
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . X O X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | . O X X . . . X X X X O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . X O O O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O . O X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . c d X X X . X X O O O X O O X . . . |
$$ | . b X O O O . . O X O . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . O X X O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Hence, I am so glad that I could play the double hane, since it makes this an area that white wants to respond to - again, because of "a". The marked stone's position is great to give this aji:
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[go]$$Wcm131 Captured Stones: black 6, white 6
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . X O X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | . O X X . . . X X X X O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . X O O O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O . O X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X . X X O O O X O O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O O . . O X O . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . B O a X . . . O X X O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . O . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


So I am very happy that the board position got to here. I was a little concerned about what black could do. For example, he could start out by threatening the top left:

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[go]$$Wcm1 Captured Stones: black 6, white 6
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 2 4 . . . . . . O X X . X O X X . |
$$ | . 3 O X . . . . . O X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | . O X X . . . X X X X O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . X O O O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O . O X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X . X X O O O X O O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O O . . O X O . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . X O , X . . . O X X O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


With that in place, he could play the probe-ish move below, which makes things a bit complicated if he proceeds:
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[go]$$Wcm1 Maybe :b2: at "a" or "b" are also options
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . O X X . X O X X . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . O X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | . O X X . . . X X X X O O X . X . O . |
$$ | a X 2 . . . . . X O O O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . 1 b . . . . . . O X X X X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O . O X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . 3 O X X X . X X O O O X O O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O O . . O X O . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . X O , X . . . O X X O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


As much as I read things out, though, I was confident that I had enough liberties by with my side group:
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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . O X X . X O X X . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . O X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | . O X X . . . X X X X O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . X O O O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . O 6 7 9 . . . . O X X X X O . O . . |
$$ | . 2 1 8 . . . X O . O X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X X . X X O O O X O O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O O . . O X O . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . X O 4 X . . . O X X O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . 3 O . . . . . . . O . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . 5 . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Pretty confident, anyway. Therefore, I accepted his challenge, and connected the atari.

That brings us to the current position. Of course, my eye is on the aji that I talked about above, which was brought about by the double hane. But what is the best way to use that aji? I still must be concerned about the marked decent, below:

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[go]$$Wcm131 Captured Stones: black 6, white 6
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . X O X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | . O X X . . . X X X X O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . X O O O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O . O X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . W O X X X . X X O O O X O O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O O . . O X O . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . X O , X . . . O X X O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . O . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


It'd be kind of nice if the game went like this:
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[go]$$Bcm1 Captured Stones: black 6, white 6
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . X O X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | . O X X . . . X X X X O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . X O O O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X O . O . . |
$$ | . . 7 . . . . X O . O X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X . X X O O O X O O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O O 3 . O X O . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . X O 1 X 4 5 . O X X O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . O 2 O 6 . . . . . . O . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


But this not only gives white sente, but there is a chance that things could go awry:
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[go]$$Bcm1 Captured Stones: black 6, white 6
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 4 5 7 . . . . . . O X X . X O X X . |
$$ | . 6 O X . . . . . O X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | . O X X . . . X X X X O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . X O O O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . 8 . . . . . . . O X X X X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O . O X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . 2 O X X X . X X O O O X O O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O O . . O X O . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . X O 1 X . . . O X X O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . O 3 O . . . . . . . O . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


OK, I still have a good amount of liberties… But it's still more risk than necessary for a got play. Besides that, is it really that huge to get the play below, anyway?
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[go]$$Bcm1 Captured Stones: black 6, white 6
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . X O X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | . O X X . . . X X X X O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . X O O O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X O . O . . |
$$ | . . 7 . . . . X O . O X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X . X X O O O X O O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O O 3 . O X O . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . X O 1 X 4 5 . O X X O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . O 2 O 6 . . . . . . O . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


That's why I think it's useful to protect this aji immediately - then this area is a big problem for white - he is at risk of losing a lot of stones. So I think that Magicwand will probably respond in this area:
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[go]$$Wcm131 Captured Stones: black 6, white 6
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . X O X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | . O X X . . . X X X X O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . X O O O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X O . O . . |
$$ | . . 8 . . . . X O . O X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X . X X O O O X O O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O O 9 . O X O . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . X O , X . . . O X X O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . O . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


But, this is gote for white. Which gives me freedom to play the remaining big points on the board.

At the risk of sounding too arrogant, I now believe that I have won the game.

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby... Again

Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 2:23 am
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm131 Captured Stones: black 6, white 6
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . X O X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | . O X X . . . X X X X O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . X O O O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X O . O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . X O . O X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X . X X O O O X O O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O O 9 . O X O . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . X O , X . . . O X X O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . O . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

game seems to be over..
but there are some complications i can think of that might rattle him a bit.

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby... Again

Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:22 am
by Kirby
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm131 Captured Stones: black 6, white 6
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . X O X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | . O X X . . . X X X X O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . X O O O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X O . O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . X O . O X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X . X X O O O X O O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O O O . O X O . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . X O , X . . . O X X O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . O . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . 0 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby... Again

Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:29 am
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm141 Captured Stones: black 6, white 6
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . X O X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | . O X X . . . X X X X O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . X O O O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X O . O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . X O . O X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X . X X O O O X O O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O O O . O X O . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . X O , X . . . O X X O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . O . . O . O 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby... Again

Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:57 am
by Kirby
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm141 Captured Stones: black 6, white 6
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . X O X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | . O X X . . . X X X X O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . X O O O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X O . O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . X O . O X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X . X X O O O X O O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O O O . O X O . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . X O , X . . . O X X O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . O . . O . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 2 . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Some comments:

Locally, my last play feels weak - I want to play one spot above. But I don't even have to start reading if I can:
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[go]$$Bcm1 Captured Stones: black 6, white 6
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . X O X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | . O X X . . . X X X X O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . X O O O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X O . O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . X O . O X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X . X X O O O X O O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O O O . O X O . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . X O , X . . . O X X O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . O . . O . O 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . 2 . 4 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X 3 X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



Also, I chose the order I did because I felt my move on the right had a bigger follow-up than this last move at the bottom (if white tenukis):
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[go]$$Bcm1 Captured Stones: black 6, white 6
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . X O X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | . O X X . . . X X X X O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . X O O O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X O . O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . X O . O X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X . X X O O O X O O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O O O . O X O . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . X O , X . . . O X X O X . . , . 3 . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . O . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 2 . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Also, I read this move:
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[go]$$Wcm141 Captured Stones: black 6, white 6
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . X O X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | . O X X . . . X X X X O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . X O O O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X O . O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . X O . O X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X . X X O O O X O O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O O O . O X O . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . X O , X . . . O X X O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . O . . O . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X W O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Seems there is nothing there.


Normally, I would try to count the endgame, but I feel comfortable just coasting.