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133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

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Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 5:05 am
by Li Kao
hyperpape wrote:
Li Kao wrote:Can somebody explain why white can't kill blacks top middle group? Or alternatively why black can't live when he moves first.
N7.

Oh it's connected to that dead group. I'm blind.

Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 5:22 am
by hyperpape
Li Kao wrote:Oh it's connected to that dead group. I'm blind.
Happens to me every single time I look at the board. Something about an ongoing game makes it hard.

Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 7:38 am
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm191 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . O X O X . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . O X O X . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X O X . . O . O O X . . O . X X X . |
$$ | . X O X X X . O X O X O O X X . X O . |
$$ | . . O . O . X O . . X O X O . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X X O . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . X X . . . O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . O X . O . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O X . . . . |
$$ | X 5 . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . O X X . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 7:57 am
by Kirby
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm191 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . O X O X . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . O X O X . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X O X . . O . O O X . . O . X X X . |
$$ | . X O X X X . O X O X O O X X . X O . |
$$ | . . O . O . X O . . X O X O . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X X O . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . X X . . . O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . O X . O . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O X . . . . |
$$ | X O . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | 6 . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . O X X . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 8:03 am
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm191 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . O X O X . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . O X O X . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X O X . . O . O O X . . O . X X X . |
$$ | . X O X X X . O X O X O O X X . X O . |
$$ | . . O . O . X O . . X O X O . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X X O . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . X X . . . O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . O X . O . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | 7 . . . . . . . . X O O O O X . . . . |
$$ | X O . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | X . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . O X X . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 8:32 am
by Magicwand
if i can squeeze little more juice out of kirby i can win this game.

below is one variation i drew.
can i win with this???
it will be very close...
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm191 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . O X O X . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . O X O X . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X O X . . O . O O X . . O . X X X . |
$$ | . X O X X X . O X O X O O X X . X O . |
$$ | . . O . O . X O . . X O X O . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X X O . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . X X . . . O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . O X . O . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | 7 . . . . . . . . X O O O O X . . . . |
$$ | X O . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | X 9 O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | 0 8 O X X . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Wcm201 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . O X O X . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . O X O X . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X O X . . O . O O X . . O . X X X . |
$$ | . X O X X X . O X O X O O X X . X O . |
$$ | . . O . O . X O . . X O X O . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X X O . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . X X 9 . . O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . O X . O . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | 8 . O . X 1 . . . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | O 6 7 . 5 . . . . X O O O O X . . . . |
$$ | X O . . 3 4 . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | X O O O 2 . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | X X O X X . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 9:49 am
by emeraldemon
@Magicwand:

Sorry, I don't understand. What do you gain from :w9: in your diagram?

Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 10:12 am
by Magicwand
emeraldemon wrote:@Magicwand:

Sorry, I don't understand. What do you gain from :w9: in your diagram?

it might be a key for me to win this game.
if he happens to tenuki as below...i will be able to capture his middle.
he will probably answer but hi might not..
my objective is to make it complicated as possible so he will make a mistake.
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . O X O X . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . O X O X . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X O X . . O . O O X . . O . X X X . |
$$ | . X O X X X 5 O X O X O O X X . X O . |
$$ | . . O . O 4 X O . . X O X O . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . 6 . O X X O . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . X X O . 3 O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . 1 . . O X . O 2 . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | X . O . X O . . . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | O X O . O . . . . X O O O O X . . . . |
$$ | X O . . O X . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | X O O O X . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | X X O X X . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 11:33 am
by Kirby
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm191 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . O X O X . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . O X O X . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X O X . . O . O O X . . O . X X X . |
$$ | . X O X X X . O X O X O O X X . X O . |
$$ | . . O . O . X O . . X O X O . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X X O . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . X X . . . O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . O X . O . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | O . . . . . . . . X O O O O X . . . . |
$$ | X O . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | X . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | 8 . O X X . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 11:59 am
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm191 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . O X O X . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . O X O X . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X O X . . O . O O X . . O . X X X . |
$$ | . X O X X X . O X O X O O X X . X O . |
$$ | . . O . O . X O . . X O X O . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X X O . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . X X . . . O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . O X . O . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . O , X 9 . . . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | O . . . . . . . . X O O O O X . . . . |
$$ | X O . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | X . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | 8 . O X X . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 12:04 pm
by Kirby
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm191 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . O X O X . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . O X O X . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X O X . . O . O O X . . O . X X X . |
$$ | . X O X X X . O X O X O O X X . X O . |
$$ | . . O . O . X O . . X O X O . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X X O . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . X X . . . O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . O X . O . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . O , X O 0 . . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | O . . . . . . . . X O O O O X . . . . |
$$ | X O . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | X . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | X . O X X . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm201 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . O X O X . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . O X O X . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X O X . . O . O O X . . O . X X X . |
$$ | . X O X X X . O X O X O O X X . X O . |
$$ | . . O . O . X O . . X O X O . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X X O . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . X X . . . O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . O X . O . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . O , X O X 2 . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | O . . . . 1 . . . X O O O O X . . . . |
$$ | X O . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | X . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | X . O X X . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 1:31 pm
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm201 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . O X O X . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . O X O X . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X O X . . O . O O X . . O . X X X . |
$$ | . X O X X X . O X O X O O X X . X O . |
$$ | . 3 O . O . X O . . X O X O . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X X O . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . X X . . . O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . O X . O . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . O , X O X X . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | O . . . . O . . . X O O O O X . . . . |
$$ | X O . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | X . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | X . O X X . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 1:44 pm
by crux
Hmmm.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . O X O X . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . O X O X . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X O X . . O . O O X . . O . X X X . |
$$ | . X O X X X . O X O X O O X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O . O . X O . . X O X O . . X O . |
$$ | 8 . O . . . . . O X X O . O . . X O . |
$$ | 6 7 . . O . X X . . . O . O X X X O . |
$$ | 4 5 . . O X . O . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | 2 3 O , X O X X . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | O 1 . . . O . . . X O O O O X . . . . |
$$ | X O 9 . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | X 0 O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | X . O X X . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . O X O X . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . O X O X . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X O X . . O . O O X . . O . X X X . |
$$ | . X O X X X . O X O X O O X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O . O . X O . . X O X O . . X O . |
$$ | O . O . . . . . O X X O . O . . X O . |
$$ | O X . . O . X X . . . O . O X X X O . |
$$ | O X . . O X . O . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | O X O , X O X X . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | O X 4 3 5 O 8 . . X O O O O X . . . . |
$$ | X O X 2 1 7 . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | X O O O 6 9 . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | X . O X X 0 . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . O X O X . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . O X O X . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X O X . . O . O O X . . O . X X X . |
$$ | . X O X X X . O X O X O O X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O . O . X O . . X O X O . . X O . |
$$ | O . O . . . . . O X X O . O . . X O . |
$$ | O X . . O . X X . . . O . O X X X O . |
$$ | O X 3 . O X . O . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | O X O , X O X X . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | O X O X X O O . . X O O O O X . . . . |
$$ | X O 2 O X X . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | X O O O O X . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | X 1 O X X O . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 2:00 pm
by Kirby
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm201 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . O X O X . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . O X O X . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X O X . . O . O O X . . O . X X X . |
$$ | . X O X X X . O X O X O O X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O . O . X O . . X O X O . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X X O . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . X X . . . O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . O X . O . . X O X 5 O X O O . |
$$ | . . O , X O X X . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | O 8 . . . O . . . X O O O O X 4 . 6 7 |
$$ | X O . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | X . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | X . O X X . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I doubt there will be ko. I think that the game might be over soon. I think he has to let me get this stone.

Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 4:01 pm
by Magicwand
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[go]$$Wcm201 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
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$$ | . . . . . . . O X X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . O X O X . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . O X O X . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X O X . . O . O O X . . O . X X X . |
$$ | . X O X X X . O X O X O O X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O . O . X O . . X O X O . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X X O . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O 9 X X . . . O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . O X . O . . X O X O O X O O . |
$$ | . . O , X O X X . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | O X . . . O . . . X O O O O X X . X O |
$$ | X O . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | X . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | X . O X X . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
i still dont see me winning..:(
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