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| Author: | LocoRon [ Wed Nov 06, 2013 12:08 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mainstream Go Sightings |
shapenaji wrote: xkcd is at it again  this time with a chess-go crossover: Quote: Prediction for Carlsen v. Anand: ... 25. Qb8+ Nxb8 26. Rd8# f6 27. "... dude." Qf5 28. "The game is over, dude." Qxg5 29. Rxe8 0-1 30. "Dude, your move can't be '0-1'. Don't write that down." [Black flips board]
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| Author: | HermanHiddema [ Wed Nov 06, 2013 1:18 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mainstream Go Sightings |
shapenaji wrote: xkcd is at it again this time with a chess-go crossover:White has an extra bishop 
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| Author: | RBerenguel [ Wed Nov 06, 2013 1:22 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mainstream Go Sightings |
HermanHiddema wrote: shapenaji wrote: xkcd is at it again this time with a chess-go crossover:White has an extra bishop Wut?
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| Author: | HermanHiddema [ Wed Nov 06, 2013 1:37 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mainstream Go Sightings |
RBerenguel wrote: HermanHiddema wrote: shapenaji wrote: xkcd is at it again this time with a chess-go crossover:White has an extra bishop Wut? Ha, he changed the picture. There was a white bishop at E4. See: http://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/images/6/65/puzzle.png |
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| Author: | Codexus [ Wed Nov 06, 2013 2:14 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mainstream Go Sightings |
I thought the extra bishop was part of the joke... 
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| Author: | HermanHiddema [ Wed Nov 06, 2013 2:18 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mainstream Go Sightings |
Codexus wrote: I thought the extra bishop was part of the joke... Yeah, I figured that, after four regular moves, white was fed up with black constantly putting new pieces on the board and started doing it too, or something like that. |
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| Author: | Bonobo [ Wed Nov 06, 2013 4:20 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mainstream Go Sightings |
But folks, since when exactly is xkcd mainstream? Guess that’s the worst insult one could make towards them
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| Author: | quantumf [ Wed Nov 06, 2013 5:00 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mainstream Go Sightings |
Bonobo wrote: But folks, since when exactly is xkcd mainstream? Guess that’s the worst insult one could make towards them 70 million page views in a month? |
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| Author: | RBerenguel [ Wed Nov 06, 2013 6:03 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mainstream Go Sightings |
quantumf wrote: Bonobo wrote: But folks, since when exactly is xkcd mainstream? Guess that’s the worst insult one could make towards them 70 million page views in a month? HackerNews is the 4615th most visited site in the world (according to Alexa rankings) and I definitely wouldn't say it is mainstream. Far, far from mainstream. |
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| Author: | quantumf [ Wed Nov 06, 2013 7:10 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mainstream Go Sightings |
Yes, indeed. But what is mainstream? Dictionary: the ideas, attitudes, or activities that are shared by most people and regarded as normal or conventional. In this context, I take mainstream to be the presentation of go in cultural artifacts that are viewed by most people, or at least, regarded as a normal cultural artifact by most people. (There's a related question, namely what does "most" mean). Thus we can take books as mainstream. Films too, I would say. I would also regard video games (or at least console-based video games) as mainstream. Comics too, albeit it as a subset of books. But Web-comics? While I think they are now viewed more than regular comics, are they viewed by the majority of the population as a conventional cultural artifact? I'm inclined to say yes, but I'm curious to see what other people think? I don't think the argument that XKCD is a particularly nerdy comic excludes it from being mainstream (assuming you regard web-comics as mainstream), unless you are also willing to regard certain comics (or books or movies) that appeal to small sub-groups as non-mainstream. |
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| Author: | uPWarrior [ Wed Nov 06, 2013 8:21 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mainstream Go Sightings |
Lets put this in context: with 70 million views a month, more people read that comic than if Go was opening news on a mainstream US news channel. |
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| Author: | quantumf [ Wed Nov 06, 2013 8:36 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mainstream Go Sightings |
I have another theory as to why web-comics may not be regarded as "mainstream" - because the barrier to entry is so low. With printed comics, you generally need to be picked up by a publisher, so there's a considerable hurdle, which implies some kind of quality control. This same snobbishness could be applied to blogs and youtube videos. Implying that mere popularity is not sufficient to be regarded as mainstream. I don't really buy this as a theory, but perhaps many do. |
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| Author: | skydyr [ Wed Nov 06, 2013 9:50 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mainstream Go Sightings |
quantumf wrote: I have another theory as to why web-comics may not be regarded as "mainstream" - because the barrier to entry is so low. With printed comics, you generally need to be picked up by a publisher, so there's a considerable hurdle, which implies some kind of quality control. This same snobbishness could be applied to blogs and youtube videos. Implying that mere popularity is not sufficient to be regarded as mainstream. I don't really buy this as a theory, but perhaps many do. Just because it's picked up by a publisher doesn't mean it's any good. Look at the Family Circus. |
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| Author: | quantumf [ Wed Nov 06, 2013 11:42 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mainstream Go Sightings |
No, indeed not. I'm just trying to ascertain whether self-published media can be classified as mainstream, and if not, why not. |
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| Author: | skydyr [ Wed Nov 06, 2013 12:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mainstream Go Sightings |
For the purposes of this discussion, I think that mainstream could be defined as 'accessible to and accessed by a group of people who don't have anything to do with go playing or the go community'. |
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| Author: | TheBigH [ Wed Nov 06, 2013 2:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mainstream Go Sightings |
Today's XKCD is about go! http://xkcd.com/1287/ |
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| Author: | Bonobo [ Wed Nov 06, 2013 2:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mainstream Go Sightings |
TheBigH wrote: ORLY? 
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| Author: | EdLee [ Wed Nov 06, 2013 6:29 pm ] |
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TheBigH wrote: Mr. Munroe seems better at chess than Go?
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| Author: | shapenaji [ Wed Nov 06, 2013 7:08 pm ] |
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EdLee wrote: TheBigH wrote: Mr. Munroe seems better at chess than Go? To be fair, his shape isn't that bad, and the white positions don't exist to lend context. |
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| Author: | speedchase [ Wed Nov 06, 2013 7:31 pm ] |
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shapenaji wrote: EdLee wrote: TheBigH wrote: Mr. Munroe seems better at chess than Go? To be fair, his shape isn't that bad, and the white positions don't exist to lend context. I don't know, I mean That certianly looks like a shoulder hit on a strong position... |
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