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Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck

Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 2:08 am
by Magicwand
F9
typo. I meant to say e10. I will play as is.

edit:
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[go]$$Bcm222 Prisoners: white: 2 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . O . O O O X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O O . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . X X O X W . . . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck

Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 7:30 am
by Joaz Banbeck
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[go]$$Bcm333 Prisoners: white: 2 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . O . O O O X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O O . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . B . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . . . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck

Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 8:03 am
by Magicwand
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[go]$$Bcm333 Prisoners: white: 2 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . O . O O O X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O O . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , W O . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . . . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
if he try to kill me...
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[go]$$Bcm333 Prisoners: white: 2 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . O . O O O X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O O . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , W O . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . 2 . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O . 1 O . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck

Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 8:52 am
by Joaz Banbeck
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[go]$$Bcm444 Prisoners: white: 2 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . O . O O O X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O O . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . . . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O B |
$$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck

Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 10:23 am
by Magicwand
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[go]$$Bcm444 Prisoners: white: 2 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . O . O O O X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O O . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . . . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . W |
$$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O X |
$$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck

Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 12:41 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
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[go]$$Bcm99 Prisoners: white: 2 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . O . O O O X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O O . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . . . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O B O |
$$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X C X |
$$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This is a good sign. If MW really thought that he could win in yose, he would have tenukied or just protected at R7. But when he chooses to play ko, it means that he is still worried about the possibility of losing.

Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck

Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 1:33 pm
by Magicwand
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[go]$$Bcm99 Prisoners: white: 2 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . X X W . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . O . O O O X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O O . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . . . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O B O |
$$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X . X |
$$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

if you answer normally then i take ko..
he is prolonging his agony. how does he expect to win this ko fight?

Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck

Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 1:37 pm
by Uberdude
Joaz Banbeck wrote:This is a good sign. If MW really thought that he could win in yose, he would have tenukied or just protected at R7. But when he chooses to play ko, it means that he is still worried about the possibility of losing.


Errr, no. Connect is gote. Ko is likely sente as this ko is a bigger risk for black (who stands to lose a lot in corner) than white so probably black will end up connecting at t4. That's my feeling without actually counting ko threats.

Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck

Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 3:15 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: white: 2 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . 2 . . |
$$ | . X X 4 a X O . O X . . . . X X 1 . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . O . O O O X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O O . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . . . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O C O |
$$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X 3 X |
$$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I you play 'a', I take ko.

Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck

Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 4:02 pm
by Magicwand
Answer ko threat
If you take ko I will use c14 if you cut I connect if you capture my stone then I take ko

Hope I was clear enough.
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: white: 2 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X 1 X O . O X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . O . O O O X O O O X . . |
$$ | . 6 3 4 O X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O 5 O O . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . . . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O 2 O |
$$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X 7 X |
$$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck

Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 7:57 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
"Hope I was clear enough." Sure, no problem.

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 2 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O 2 O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O 1 X . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . O . O O O X O O O X . . |
$$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O O . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . . . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O 3 O |
$$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X C X |
$$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Ko threat at 1, if you answer 2, I retake ko with 3.

Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 12:29 am
by opex
Why don't you count captured in ko stones? White:4 black:3

Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 4:53 am
by Magicwand
C12 and take ko
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 2 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O 2 O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O 1 X . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . O . O O O X O O O X . . |
$$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O O . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . 5 4 X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . . . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O 3 O |
$$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X 6 X |
$$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 3:04 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 5 black: 3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . O . O O O X O O O X . . |
$$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O O . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . . . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . 1 a O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O 3 O |
$$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X C X |
$$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If 2 at 'a', then recapture ko at 3.

Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 3:19 pm
by Magicwand
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 5 black: 3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . 4 . X O . . O . O O O X O O O X . . |
$$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O O . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . 2 . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . 1 . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O 3 O |
$$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X C X |
$$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]