??. Magicwand (3d) vs. daniel_the_smith (1k)

Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Fri Aug 20, 2010 12:54 pm

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daniel_the_smith · Post by **daniel_the_smith** » Wed Aug 25, 2010 11:29 am

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Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Wed Aug 25, 2010 3:31 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wc W=2 B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . O . O . | $$ | . . X . . O . X . X X . . O . X O . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . , O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O . . . O . . . . X . X . . . O . | $$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . | $$ | . O . . O X O . . . X . O . O O O X . | $$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . X . . . X . | $$ | . O X X . X . X O O O X . X O . O X . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X O . , O X O | $$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . X . O . O O X | $$ | . O X O X X O O X . . X . . . . . X X | $$ | . O X . X O O X X X X . . X O . O X . | $$ | . X . X O O . X O O O . X . X X O X . | $$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . W . . | $$ | . . . X O . . O O O X O X O . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X X . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Violence · Post by **Violence** » Wed Aug 25, 2010 4:42 pm

FlameBlade · Post by **FlameBlade** » Wed Aug 25, 2010 7:41 pm

Violence wrote:
According to my reading... it's curtains for daniel.

Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Thu Aug 26, 2010 6:24 am

this is one variation.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc W=2 B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . O . O . | $$ | . . X . . O . X . X X . . O . X O . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . , O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O . . . O . . . . X . X . . . O . | $$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . | $$ | . O . . O X O . . . X . O . O O O X . | $$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . X . . . X . | $$ | . O X X . X . X O O O X . X O . O X . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X O . , O X O | $$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . X . O . O O X | $$ | . O X O X X O O X . . X . . 7 6 0 X X | $$ | . O X . X O O X X X X . . X W 5 O X . | $$ | . X . X O O . X O O O . X 4 X X O X . | $$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O 3 2 W 1 . | $$ | . . . X O . . O O O X O X O 8 X . . . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X X . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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this is another variation.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc W=2 B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . O . O . | $$ | . . X . . O . X . X X . . O . X O . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . , O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O . . . O . . . . X . X . . . O . | $$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . | $$ | . O . . O X O . . . X . O . O O O X . | $$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . X . . . X . | $$ | . O X X . X . X O O O X . X O . O X . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X O . , O X O | $$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . X 0 O . O O X | $$ | . O X O X X O O X . . X . 8 . . . X X | $$ | . O X . X O O X X X X . 9 X O 6 O X . | $$ | . X . X O O . X O O O . X 4 X X O X . | $$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O 3 2 W 1 . | $$ | . . . X O . . O O O X O X O 5 X 7 . . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X X . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

either way i get to live and black has no other way to avoid my life.

Harleqin · Post by **Harleqin** » Thu Aug 26, 2010 6:50 am

daniel_the_smith · Post by **daniel_the_smith** » Thu Aug 26, 2010 8:27 am

Since commenting on the position is all the rage now...

At home I have half a post typed up. I'm deciding between a and b below. B involves a capturing race which I thought I lost but when I started making diagrams to show why I found a variation that I didn't read out completely. I'm leaning towards A anyway as I think it still kills and it doesn't carry quite as much risk (in the likely case that my reading isn't perfect).

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wc W=2 B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . O . O . | $$ | . . X . . O . X . X X . . O . X O . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . , O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O . . . O . . . . X . X . . . O . | $$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . | $$ | . O . . O X O . . . X . O . O O O X . | $$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . X . . . X . | $$ | . O X X . X . X O O O X . X O . O X . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X O . , O X O | $$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . X . O . O O X | $$ | . O X O X X O O X . . X . . . . . X X | $$ | . O X . X O O X X X X . . X O b O X . | $$ | . X . X O O . X O O O . X . X X O X . | $$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . O a . | $$ | . . . X O . . O O O X O X O . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X X . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

daniel_the_smith · Post by **daniel_the_smith** » Thu Aug 26, 2010 9:25 am

I finished reading out B. I can't play it. Here is why:

Forced:

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Now black has a choice:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm7 W=3 B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . O . O . | $$ | . . X . . O . X . X X . . O . X O . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . , O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O . . . O . . . . X . X . . . O . | $$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . | $$ | . O . . O X O . . . X . O . O O O X 4 | $$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . X . . . X . | $$ | . O X X . X . X O O O X . X O . O X 3 | $$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X O . , O X O | $$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . X . O O O O X | $$ | . O X O X X O O X . . X . . X O X X X | $$ | . O X . X O O X X X X . . X . X O X . | $$ | . X . X O O . X O O O . X . X X O X 1 | $$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . O O 2 | $$ | . . . X O . . O O O X O X O . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X X . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

We can stop there (see the footnote), just count liberties: W 4, B 3 (on the upper portion of the group. I have to save everything, remember).

Or :b7:

can try this (which is the move I hadn't read out completely last night but now have):

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm7 W=3 B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . O . O . | $$ | . . X . . O . X . X X . . O . X O . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . , O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O . . . O . . . . X . X . . . O . | $$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O 0 | $$ | . O . . O X O . . . X . O . O O O X 6 | $$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . X . . 8 X . | $$ | . O X X . X . X O O O X . X O . O X 3 | $$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X O . , O X O | $$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . X . O O O O X | $$ | . O X O X X O O X . . X . . X O X X X | $$ | . O X . X O O X X X X . . X . X O X . | $$ | . X . X O O . X O O O . X . X X O X 2 | $$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . 7 O O 1 | $$ | . . . X O . . O O O X O X O . X 9 5 4 | $$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X X . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Wait, crap, that works for me! Freaking reading (I must have subtracted a liberty from myself in my head). Now I have to double check everything and make absolutely certain this works-- and that there are no deviations.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm17 W=3 B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . O . O . | $$ | . . X . . O . X . X X . . O . X O . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . , O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O . . . O . . . . X . X . . . O . | $$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O O | $$ | . O . . O X O . . . X . O . O O O X O | $$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . X . . O X 2 | $$ | . O X X . X . X O O O X . X O . O X X | $$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X O . , O X 3 | $$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . X . O O O O X | $$ | . O X O X X O O X . . X . . X O X X X | $$ | . O X . X O O X X X X . . X . X O X . | $$ | . X . X O O . X O O O . X . X X O X O | $$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . X O O 1 | $$ | . . . X O . . O O O X O X O . X X X O | $$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X X . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Footnote: I cannot get more liberties like this:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm11 W=3 B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . O . O . | $$ | . . X . . O . X . X X . . O . X O 6 . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . , O . . . . X 4 3 . | $$ | . X O . . . O . . . . X . X . . 5 O 2 | $$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O 1 | $$ | . O . . O X O . . . X . O . O O O X O | $$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . X . . . X . | $$ | . O X X . X . X O O O X . X O . O X X | $$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X O . , O X . | $$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . X . O O O O X | $$ | . O X O X X O O X . . X . . X O X X X | $$ | . O X . X O O X X X X . . X . X O X . | $$ | . X . X O O . X O O O . X . X X O X X | $$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . O O O | $$ | . . . X O . . O O O X O X O . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X X . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

because white won't play :w16:

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Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm11 W=3 B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . O . O . | $$ | . . X . . O . X . X X . . O . X O . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . , O . . 0 9 X 4 3 . | $$ | . X O . . . O . . . . X . X 8 7 5 O 2 | $$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . 6 X X O 1 | $$ | . O . . O X O . . . X . O . O O O X O | $$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . X . . . X . | $$ | . O X X . X . X O O O X . X O . O X X | $$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X O . , O X . | $$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . X . O O O O X | $$ | . O X O X X O O X . . X . . X O X X X | $$ | . O X . X O O X X X X . . X . X O X . | $$ | . X . X O O . X O O O . X . X X O X X | $$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . O O O | $$ | . . . X O . . O O O X O X O . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X X . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

amnal · Post by **amnal** » Thu Aug 26, 2010 9:31 am

daniel_the_smith wrote:Since commenting on the position is all the rage now...

At home I have half a post typed up. I'm deciding between a and b below. B involves a capturing race which I thought I lost but when I started making diagrams to show why I found a variation that I didn't read out completely. I'm leaning towards A anyway as I think it still kills and it doesn't carry quite as much risk (in the likely case that my reading isn't perfect).

$$Wc W=2 B=0
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$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . O . O . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X . X X . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . O . . . . X . X . . . O . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . O . . O X O . . . X . O . O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . X . . . X . |
$$ | . O X X . X . X O O O X . X O . O X . |
$$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X O . , O X O |
$$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . X . O . O O X |
$$ | . O X O X X O O X . . X . . . . . X X |
$$ | . O X . X O O X X X X . . X O b O X . |
$$ | . X . X O O . X O O O . X . X X O X . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . O a . |
$$ | . . . X O . . O O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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[go]$$Wc W=2 B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . O . O . | $$ | . . X . . O . X . X X . . O . X O . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . , O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O . . . O . . . . X . X . . . O . | $$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . | $$ | . O . . O X O . . . X . O . O O O X . | $$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . X . . . X . | $$ | . O X X . X . X O O O X . X O . O X . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X O . , O X O | $$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . X . O . O O X | $$ | . O X O X X O O X . . X . . . . . X X | $$ | . O X . X O O X X X X . . X O b O X . | $$ | . X . X O O . X O O O . X . X X O X . | $$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . O a . | $$ | . . . X O . . O O O X O X O . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X X . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

daniel_the_smith · Post by **daniel_the_smith** » Thu Aug 26, 2010 12:03 pm

I found a refutation for my move. Note to self: Always read the simple things first.

Next I will see if I can force the previous result if I start from :w2:

below...

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc W=2 B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . O . O . | $$ | . . X . . O . X . X X . . O . X O . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . , O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O . . . O . . . . X . X . . . O . | $$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . | $$ | . O . . O X O . . . X . O . O O O X . | $$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . X . . . X . | $$ | . O X X . X . X O O O X . X O . O X . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X O . , O X O | $$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . X . O . O O X | $$ | . O X O X X O O X . . X . . . . 2 X X | $$ | . O X . X O O X X X X . . X O 1 O X . | $$ | . X . X O O . X O O O . X . X X O X . | $$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O 5 4 O 3 . | $$ | . . . X O . . O O O X O X O 6 X . . . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X X . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

If I defend the bottom:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm7 W=2 B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . O . O . | $$ | . . X . . O . X . X X . . O . X O . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . , O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O . . . O . . . . X . X . . . O . | $$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . | $$ | . O . . O X O . . . X . O . O O O X . | $$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . X . . . X . | $$ | . O X X . X . X O O O X . X O . O X . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X O . 0 O X O | $$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . X 8 O . O O X | $$ | . O X O X X O O X . . X 9 7 3 4 O X X | $$ | . O X . X O O X X X X . 6 X O X O X . | $$ | . X . X O O . X O O O . X 2 X X O X . | $$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O X O O X . | $$ | . . . X O . . O O O X O X O O X 1 . . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X X . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

White lives ( :b11:

fills in). No good.

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And I lose the capturing race.

daniel_the_smith · Post by **daniel_the_smith** » Thu Sep 09, 2010 1:46 pm

Sorry I'm so slow with the last few moves.

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Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Thu Sep 09, 2010 3:55 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wc W=2 B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . O . O . | $$ | . . X . . O . X . X X . . O . X O . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . , O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O . . . O . . . . X . X . . . O . | $$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . | $$ | . O . . O X O . . . X . O . O O O X . | $$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . X . . . X . | $$ | . O X X . X . X O O O X . X O . O X . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X O . , O X O | $$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . X . O . O O X | $$ | . O X O X X O O X . . X . . . . . X X | $$ | . O X . X O O X X X X . . X O . O X . | $$ | . X . X O O . X O O O . X 3 X X O X . | $$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O 2 1 O X . | $$ | . . . X O . . O O O X O X O . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X X . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

no problem for late move.

daniel_the_smith · Post by **daniel_the_smith** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 11:35 am

Time for another late move

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I can try this :b1:

to try and give up some stones while catching the rest, but white can resist. I'm not 100% sure who wins this race:

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The other way I die, white wins this race:

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can't be at :b5:

for reasons mentioned previously.

If white decides to take only the four stones then I will have to count, white will have gained a lot.

Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 12:50 pm

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