$$Wc W=2 B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . O . O . | $$ | . . X . . O . X . X X . . O . X O . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . , O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O . . . O . . . . X . X . . . O . | $$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . | $$ | . O . . O X O . . . X . O . O O O X . | $$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . X . . . X . | $$ | . O X X . X . X O O O X . X O . O X . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X O . , O X 3 | $$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . X . O . O 1 2 | $$ | . O X O X X O O X . . X . . . . . X . | $$ | . O X . X O O X X X X . . X O . O X . | $$ | . X . X O O . X O O O . X . X X O X . | $$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . . O O O X O X O . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X X . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wc W=2 B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . O . O . | $$ | . . X . . O . X . X X . . O . X O . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . , O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O . . . O . . . . X . X . . . O . | $$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . | $$ | . O . . O X O . . . X . O . O O O X . | $$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . X . . . X . | $$ | . O X X . X . X O O O X . X O . O X . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X O . , O X 3 | $$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . X . O . O 1 2 | $$ | . O X O X X O O X . . X . . . . . X . | $$ | . O X . X O O X X X X . . X O . O X . | $$ | . X . X O O . X O O O . X . X X O X . | $$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . . O O O X O X O . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X X . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
i am not sure but i think black made a mistake. i will take a close look at it after few obvious sequence.
Re: ??. Magicwand (3d) vs. daniel_the_smith (1k)
Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 11:29 am
by daniel_the_smith
$$Wc W=2 B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . O . O . | $$ | . . X . . O . X . X X . . O . X O . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . , O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O . . . O . . . . X . X . . . O . | $$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . | $$ | . O . . O X O . . . X . O . O O O X . | $$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . X . . . X . | $$ | . O X X . X . X O O O X . X O . O X . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X O . , O X O | $$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . X . O . O O X | $$ | . O X O X X O O X . . X . . . . . X B | $$ | . O X . X O O X X X X . . X O . O X . | $$ | . X . X O O . X O O O . X . X X O X . | $$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . . O O O X O X O . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X X . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wc W=2 B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . O . O . | $$ | . . X . . O . X . X X . . O . X O . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . , O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O . . . O . . . . X . X . . . O . | $$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . | $$ | . O . . O X O . . . X . O . O O O X . | $$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . X . . . X . | $$ | . O X X . X . X O O O X . X O . O X . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X O . , O X O | $$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . X . O . O O X | $$ | . O X O X X O O X . . X . . . . . X B | $$ | . O X . X O O X X X X . . X O . O X . | $$ | . X . X O O . X O O O . X . X X O X . | $$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . . O O O X O X O . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X X . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
After some reading, I think capturing and connecting are about the same in terms of how many forcing moves white gets, but connecting gives better eye shape if I get cut off.
Re: ??. Magicwand (3d) vs. daniel_the_smith (1k)
Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 3:31 pm
by Magicwand
$$Wc W=2 B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . O . O . | $$ | . . X . . O . X . X X . . O . X O . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . , O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O . . . O . . . . X . X . . . O . | $$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . | $$ | . O . . O X O . . . X . O . O O O X . | $$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . X . . . X . | $$ | . O X X . X . X O O O X . X O . O X . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X O . , O X O | $$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . X . O . O O X | $$ | . O X O X X O O X . . X . . . . . X X | $$ | . O X . X O O X X X X . . X O . O X . | $$ | . X . X O O . X O O O . X . X X O X . | $$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . W . . | $$ | . . . X O . . O O O X O X O . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X X . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wc W=2 B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . O . O . | $$ | . . X . . O . X . X X . . O . X O . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . , O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O . . . O . . . . X . X . . . O . | $$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . | $$ | . O . . O X O . . . X . O . O O O X . | $$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . X . . . X . | $$ | . O X X . X . X O O O X . X O . O X . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X O . , O X O | $$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . X . O . O O X | $$ | . O X O X X O O X . . X . . . . . X X | $$ | . O X . X O O X X X X . . X O . O X . | $$ | . X . X O O . X O O O . X . X X O X . | $$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . W . . | $$ | . . . X O . . O O O X O X O . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X X . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
i have a feeling that his ass is mine
Re: ??. Magicwand (3d) vs. daniel_the_smith (1k)
Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 4:42 pm
by Violence
According to my reading... it's curtains for daniel.
Re: ??. Magicwand (3d) vs. daniel_the_smith (1k)
Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 7:41 pm
by FlameBlade
Violence wrote:
According to my reading... it's curtains for daniel.
Agreed.
Re: ??. Magicwand (3d) vs. daniel_the_smith (1k)
Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 6:24 am
by Magicwand
this is one variation.
$$Bc W=2 B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . O . O . | $$ | . . X . . O . X . X X . . O . X O . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . , O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O . . . O . . . . X . X . . . O . | $$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . | $$ | . O . . O X O . . . X . O . O O O X . | $$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . X . . . X . | $$ | . O X X . X . X O O O X . X O . O X . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X O . , O X O | $$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . X . O . O O X | $$ | . O X O X X O O X . . X . . 7 6 0 X X | $$ | . O X . X O O X X X X . . X W 5 O X . | $$ | . X . X O O . X O O O . X 4 X X O X . | $$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O 3 2 W 1 . | $$ | . . . X O . . O O O X O X O 8 X . . . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X X . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bc W=2 B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . O . O . | $$ | . . X . . O . X . X X . . O . X O . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . , O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O . . . O . . . . X . X . . . O . | $$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . | $$ | . O . . O X O . . . X . O . O O O X . | $$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . X . . . X . | $$ | . O X X . X . X O O O X . X O . O X . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X O . , O X O | $$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . X . O . O O X | $$ | . O X O X X O O X . . X . . 7 6 0 X X | $$ | . O X . X O O X X X X . . X W 5 O X . | $$ | . X . X O O . X O O O . X 4 X X O X . | $$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O 3 2 W 1 . | $$ | . . . X O . . O O O X O X O 8 X . . . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X X . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
=
this is another variation.
$$Bc W=2 B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . O . O . | $$ | . . X . . O . X . X X . . O . X O . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . , O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O . . . O . . . . X . X . . . O . | $$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . | $$ | . O . . O X O . . . X . O . O O O X . | $$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . X . . . X . | $$ | . O X X . X . X O O O X . X O . O X . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X O . , O X O | $$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . X 0 O . O O X | $$ | . O X O X X O O X . . X . 8 . . . X X | $$ | . O X . X O O X X X X . 9 X O 6 O X . | $$ | . X . X O O . X O O O . X 4 X X O X . | $$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O 3 2 W 1 . | $$ | . . . X O . . O O O X O X O 5 X 7 . . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X X . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bc W=2 B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . O . O . | $$ | . . X . . O . X . X X . . O . X O . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . , O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O . . . O . . . . X . X . . . O . | $$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . | $$ | . O . . O X O . . . X . O . O O O X . | $$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . X . . . X . | $$ | . O X X . X . X O O O X . X O . O X . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X O . , O X O | $$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . X 0 O . O O X | $$ | . O X O X X O O X . . X . 8 . . . X X | $$ | . O X . X O O X X X X . 9 X O 6 O X . | $$ | . X . X O O . X O O O . X 4 X X O X . | $$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O 3 2 W 1 . | $$ | . . . X O . . O O O X O X O 5 X 7 . . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X X . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
either way i get to live and black has no other way to avoid my life.
Re: ??. Magicwand (3d) vs. daniel_the_smith (1k)
Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 6:50 am
by Harleqin
$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . O . O . | $$ | . . X . . O . X . X X . . O . X O . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . , O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O . . . O . . . . X . X . . . O . | $$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . | $$ | . O . . O X O . . . X . O . O O O X . | $$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . X . . . X . | $$ | . O X X . X . X O O O X . X O . O X . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X O . , O X O | $$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . X . O . O O X | $$ | . O X O X X O O X . . X . . . 6 . X X | $$ | . O X . X O O X X X X . . X O 5 O X . | $$ | . X . X O O . X O O O . X 4 X X O X . | $$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O 3 2 W 1 . | $$ | . . . X O . . O O O X O X O 7 X . . . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X X . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . O . O . | $$ | . . X . . O . X . X X . . O . X O . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . , O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O . . . O . . . . X . X . . . O . | $$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . | $$ | . O . . O X O . . . X . O . O O O X . | $$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . X . . . X . | $$ | . O X X . X . X O O O X . X O . O X . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X O . , O X O | $$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . X . O . O O X | $$ | . O X O X X O O X . . X . . . 6 . X X | $$ | . O X . X O O X X X X . . X O 5 O X . | $$ | . X . X O O . X O O O . X 4 X X O X . | $$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O 3 2 W 1 . | $$ | . . . X O . . O O O X O X O 7 X . . . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X X . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: ??. Magicwand (3d) vs. daniel_the_smith (1k)
Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 8:27 am
by daniel_the_smith
Since commenting on the position is all the rage now...
At home I have half a post typed up. I'm deciding between a and b below. B involves a capturing race which I thought I lost but when I started making diagrams to show why I found a variation that I didn't read out completely. I'm leaning towards A anyway as I think it still kills and it doesn't carry quite as much risk (in the likely case that my reading isn't perfect).
$$Wc W=2 B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . O . O . | $$ | . . X . . O . X . X X . . O . X O . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . , O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O . . . O . . . . X . X . . . O . | $$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . | $$ | . O . . O X O . . . X . O . O O O X . | $$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . X . . . X . | $$ | . O X X . X . X O O O X . X O . O X . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X O . , O X O | $$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . X . O . O O X | $$ | . O X O X X O O X . . X . . . . . X X | $$ | . O X . X O O X X X X . . X O b O X . | $$ | . X . X O O . X O O O . X . X X O X . | $$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . O a . | $$ | . . . X O . . O O O X O X O . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X X . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wc W=2 B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . O . O . | $$ | . . X . . O . X . X X . . O . X O . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . , O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O . . . O . . . . X . X . . . O . | $$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . | $$ | . O . . O X O . . . X . O . O O O X . | $$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . X . . . X . | $$ | . O X X . X . X O O O X . X O . O X . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X O . , O X O | $$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . X . O . O O X | $$ | . O X O X X O O X . . X . . . . . X X | $$ | . O X . X O O X X X X . . X O b O X . | $$ | . X . X O O . X O O O . X . X X O X . | $$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . O a . | $$ | . . . X O . . O O O X O X O . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X X . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: ??. Magicwand (3d) vs. daniel_the_smith (1k)
Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 9:25 am
by daniel_the_smith
I finished reading out B. I can't play it. Here is why:
Forced:
$$Bc W=2 B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . O . O . | $$ | . . X . . O . X . X X . . O . X O . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . , O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O . . . O . . . . X . X . . . O . | $$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . | $$ | . O . . O X O . . . X . O . O O O X . | $$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . X . . . X . | $$ | . O X X . X . X O O O X . X O . O X . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X O . , O X O | $$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . X . O 6 O O X | $$ | . O X O X X O O X . . X . . 5 4 3 X X | $$ | . O X . X O O X X X X . . X O 1 O X . | $$ | . X . X O O . X O O O . X . X X O X . | $$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . O 2 . | $$ | . . . X O . . O O O X O X O . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X X . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bc W=2 B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . O . O . | $$ | . . X . . O . X . X X . . O . X O . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . , O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O . . . O . . . . X . X . . . O . | $$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . | $$ | . O . . O X O . . . X . O . O O O X . | $$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . X . . . X . | $$ | . O X X . X . X O O O X . X O . O X . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X O . , O X O | $$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . X . O 6 O O X | $$ | . O X O X X O O X . . X . . 5 4 3 X X | $$ | . O X . X O O X X X X . . X O 1 O X . | $$ | . X . X O O . X O O O . X . X X O X . | $$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . O 2 . | $$ | . . . X O . . O O O X O X O . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X X . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Now black has a choice:
$$Bcm7 W=3 B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . O . O . | $$ | . . X . . O . X . X X . . O . X O . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . , O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O . . . O . . . . X . X . . . O . | $$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . | $$ | . O . . O X O . . . X . O . O O O X 4 | $$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . X . . . X . | $$ | . O X X . X . X O O O X . X O . O X 3 | $$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X O . , O X O | $$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . X . O O O O X | $$ | . O X O X X O O X . . X . . X O X X X | $$ | . O X . X O O X X X X . . X . X O X . | $$ | . X . X O O . X O O O . X . X X O X 1 | $$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . O O 2 | $$ | . . . X O . . O O O X O X O . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X X . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm7 W=3 B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . O . O . | $$ | . . X . . O . X . X X . . O . X O . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . , O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O . . . O . . . . X . X . . . O . | $$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . | $$ | . O . . O X O . . . X . O . O O O X 4 | $$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . X . . . X . | $$ | . O X X . X . X O O O X . X O . O X 3 | $$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X O . , O X O | $$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . X . O O O O X | $$ | . O X O X X O O X . . X . . X O X X X | $$ | . O X . X O O X X X X . . X . X O X . | $$ | . X . X O O . X O O O . X . X X O X 1 | $$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . O O 2 | $$ | . . . X O . . O O O X O X O . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X X . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
We can stop there (see the footnote), just count liberties: W 4, B 3 (on the upper portion of the group. I have to save everything, remember).
Or can try this (which is the move I hadn't read out completely last night but now have):
$$Bcm7 W=3 B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . O . O . | $$ | . . X . . O . X . X X . . O . X O . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . , O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O . . . O . . . . X . X . . . O . | $$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O 0 | $$ | . O . . O X O . . . X . O . O O O X 6 | $$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . X . . 8 X . | $$ | . O X X . X . X O O O X . X O . O X 3 | $$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X O . , O X O | $$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . X . O O O O X | $$ | . O X O X X O O X . . X . . X O X X X | $$ | . O X . X O O X X X X . . X . X O X . | $$ | . X . X O O . X O O O . X . X X O X 2 | $$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . 7 O O 1 | $$ | . . . X O . . O O O X O X O . X 9 5 4 | $$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X X . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm7 W=3 B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . O . O . | $$ | . . X . . O . X . X X . . O . X O . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . , O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O . . . O . . . . X . X . . . O . | $$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O 0 | $$ | . O . . O X O . . . X . O . O O O X 6 | $$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . X . . 8 X . | $$ | . O X X . X . X O O O X . X O . O X 3 | $$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X O . , O X O | $$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . X . O O O O X | $$ | . O X O X X O O X . . X . . X O X X X | $$ | . O X . X O O X X X X . . X . X O X . | $$ | . X . X O O . X O O O . X . X X O X 2 | $$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . 7 O O 1 | $$ | . . . X O . . O O O X O X O . X 9 5 4 | $$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X X . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Wait, crap, that works for me! Freaking reading (I must have subtracted a liberty from myself in my head). Now I have to double check everything and make absolutely certain this works-- and that there are no deviations.
$$Bcm17 W=3 B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . O . O . | $$ | . . X . . O . X . X X . . O . X O . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . , O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O . . . O . . . . X . X . . . O . | $$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O O | $$ | . O . . O X O . . . X . O . O O O X O | $$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . X . . O X 2 | $$ | . O X X . X . X O O O X . X O . O X X | $$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X O . , O X 3 | $$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . X . O O O O X | $$ | . O X O X X O O X . . X . . X O X X X | $$ | . O X . X O O X X X X . . X . X O X . | $$ | . X . X O O . X O O O . X . X X O X O | $$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . X O O 1 | $$ | . . . X O . . O O O X O X O . X X X O | $$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X X . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm17 W=3 B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . O . O . | $$ | . . X . . O . X . X X . . O . X O . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . , O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O . . . O . . . . X . X . . . O . | $$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O O | $$ | . O . . O X O . . . X . O . O O O X O | $$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . X . . O X 2 | $$ | . O X X . X . X O O O X . X O . O X X | $$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X O . , O X 3 | $$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . X . O O O O X | $$ | . O X O X X O O X . . X . . X O X X X | $$ | . O X . X O O X X X X . . X . X O X . | $$ | . X . X O O . X O O O . X . X X O X O | $$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . X O O 1 | $$ | . . . X O . . O O O X O X O . X X X O | $$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X X . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Footnote: I cannot get more liberties like this:
$$Bcm11 W=3 B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . O . O . | $$ | . . X . . O . X . X X . . O . X O 6 . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . , O . . . . X 4 3 . | $$ | . X O . . . O . . . . X . X . . 5 O 2 | $$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O 1 | $$ | . O . . O X O . . . X . O . O O O X O | $$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . X . . . X . | $$ | . O X X . X . X O O O X . X O . O X X | $$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X O . , O X . | $$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . X . O O O O X | $$ | . O X O X X O O X . . X . . X O X X X | $$ | . O X . X O O X X X X . . X . X O X . | $$ | . X . X O O . X O O O . X . X X O X X | $$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . O O O | $$ | . . . X O . . O O O X O X O . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X X . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm11 W=3 B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . O . O . | $$ | . . X . . O . X . X X . . O . X O 6 . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . , O . . . . X 4 3 . | $$ | . X O . . . O . . . . X . X . . 5 O 2 | $$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O 1 | $$ | . O . . O X O . . . X . O . O O O X O | $$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . X . . . X . | $$ | . O X X . X . X O O O X . X O . O X X | $$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X O . , O X . | $$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . X . O O O O X | $$ | . O X O X X O O X . . X . . X O X X X | $$ | . O X . X O O X X X X . . X . X O X . | $$ | . X . X O O . X O O O . X . X X O X X | $$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . O O O | $$ | . . . X O . . O O O X O X O . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X X . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
because white won't play --
$$Bcm11 W=3 B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . O . O . | $$ | . . X . . O . X . X X . . O . X O . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . , O . . 0 9 X 4 3 . | $$ | . X O . . . O . . . . X . X 8 7 5 O 2 | $$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . 6 X X O 1 | $$ | . O . . O X O . . . X . O . O O O X O | $$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . X . . . X . | $$ | . O X X . X . X O O O X . X O . O X X | $$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X O . , O X . | $$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . X . O O O O X | $$ | . O X O X X O O X . . X . . X O X X X | $$ | . O X . X O O X X X X . . X . X O X . | $$ | . X . X O O . X O O O . X . X X O X X | $$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . O O O | $$ | . . . X O . . O O O X O X O . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X X . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm11 W=3 B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . O . O . | $$ | . . X . . O . X . X X . . O . X O . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . , O . . 0 9 X 4 3 . | $$ | . X O . . . O . . . . X . X 8 7 5 O 2 | $$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . 6 X X O 1 | $$ | . O . . O X O . . . X . O . O O O X O | $$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . X . . . X . | $$ | . O X X . X . X O O O X . X O . O X X | $$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X O . , O X . | $$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . X . O O O O X | $$ | . O X O X X O O X . . X . . X O X X X | $$ | . O X . X O O X X X X . . X . X O X . | $$ | . X . X O O . X O O O . X . X X O X X | $$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . O O O | $$ | . . . X O . . O O O X O X O . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X X . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: ??. Magicwand (3d) vs. daniel_the_smith (1k)
Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 9:31 am
by amnal
daniel_the_smith wrote:Since commenting on the position is all the rage now...
At home I have half a post typed up. I'm deciding between a and b below. B involves a capturing race which I thought I lost but when I started making diagrams to show why I found a variation that I didn't read out completely. I'm leaning towards A anyway as I think it still kills and it doesn't carry quite as much risk (in the likely case that my reading isn't perfect).
$$Wc W=2 B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . O . O . | $$ | . . X . . O . X . X X . . O . X O . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . , O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O . . . O . . . . X . X . . . O . | $$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . | $$ | . O . . O X O . . . X . O . O O O X . | $$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . X . . . X . | $$ | . O X X . X . X O O O X . X O . O X . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X O . , O X O | $$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . X . O . O O X | $$ | . O X O X X O O X . . X . . . . . X X | $$ | . O X . X O O X X X X . . X O b O X . | $$ | . X . X O O . X O O O . X . X X O X . | $$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . O a . | $$ | . . . X O . . O O O X O X O . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X X . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wc W=2 B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . O . O . | $$ | . . X . . O . X . X X . . O . X O . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . , O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O . . . O . . . . X . X . . . O . | $$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . | $$ | . O . . O X O . . . X . O . O O O X . | $$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . X . . . X . | $$ | . O X X . X . X O O O X . X O . O X . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X O . , O X O | $$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . X . O . O O X | $$ | . O X O X X O O X . . X . . . . . X X | $$ | . O X . X O O X X X X . . X O b O X . | $$ | . X . X O O . X O O O . X . X X O X . | $$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . O a . | $$ | . . . X O . . O O O X O X O . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X X . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
$$Wc W=2 B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . O . O . | $$ | . . X . . O . X . X X . . O . X O . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . , O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O . . . O . . . . X . X . . . O . | $$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . | $$ | . O . . O X O . . . X . O . O O O X . | $$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . X . . . X . | $$ | . O X X . X . X O O O X . X O . O X . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X O . , O X O | $$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . X . O . O O X | $$ | . O X O X X O O X . . X . . . . 7 X X | $$ | . O X . X O O X X X X . . X O 6 O X . | $$ | . X . X O O . X O O O . X b X X O X . | $$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O 4 3 O 2 . | $$ | . . . X O . . O O O X O X O 5 X a . . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X X . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wc W=2 B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . O . O . | $$ | . . X . . O . X . X X . . O . X O . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . , O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O . . . O . . . . X . X . . . O . | $$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . | $$ | . O . . O X O . . . X . O . O O O X . | $$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . X . . . X . | $$ | . O X X . X . X O O O X . X O . O X . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X O . , O X O | $$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . X . O . O O X | $$ | . O X O X X O O X . . X . . . . 7 X X | $$ | . O X . X O O X X X X . . X O 6 O X . | $$ | . X . X O O . X O O O . X b X X O X . | $$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O 4 3 O 2 . | $$ | . . . X O . . O O O X O X O 5 X a . . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X X . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Either way, white seems to end up with an a/b miai of his own.
Re: ??. Magicwand (3d) vs. daniel_the_smith (1k)
Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 12:03 pm
by daniel_the_smith
I found a refutation for my move. Note to self: Always read the simple things first.
Next I will see if I can force the previous result if I start from below...
$$Bc W=2 B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . O . O . | $$ | . . X . . O . X . X X . . O . X O . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . , O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O . . . O . . . . X . X . . . O . | $$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . | $$ | . O . . O X O . . . X . O . O O O X . | $$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . X . . . X . | $$ | . O X X . X . X O O O X . X O . O X . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X O . , O X O | $$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . X . O . O O X | $$ | . O X O X X O O X . . X . . . . 2 X X | $$ | . O X . X O O X X X X . . X O 1 O X . | $$ | . X . X O O . X O O O . X . X X O X . | $$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O 5 4 O 3 . | $$ | . . . X O . . O O O X O X O 6 X . . . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X X . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bc W=2 B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . O . O . | $$ | . . X . . O . X . X X . . O . X O . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . , O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O . . . O . . . . X . X . . . O . | $$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . | $$ | . O . . O X O . . . X . O . O O O X . | $$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . X . . . X . | $$ | . O X X . X . X O O O X . X O . O X . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X O . , O X O | $$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . X . O . O O X | $$ | . O X O X X O O X . . X . . . . 2 X X | $$ | . O X . X O O X X X X . . X O 1 O X . | $$ | . X . X O O . X O O O . X . X X O X . | $$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O 5 4 O 3 . | $$ | . . . X O . . O O O X O X O 6 X . . . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X X . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
If I defend the bottom:
$$Bcm7 W=2 B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . O . O . | $$ | . . X . . O . X . X X . . O . X O . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . , O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O . . . O . . . . X . X . . . O . | $$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . | $$ | . O . . O X O . . . X . O . O O O X . | $$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . X . . . X . | $$ | . O X X . X . X O O O X . X O . O X . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X O . 0 O X O | $$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . X 8 O . O O X | $$ | . O X O X X O O X . . X 9 7 3 4 O X X | $$ | . O X . X O O X X X X . 6 X O X O X . | $$ | . X . X O O . X O O O . X 2 X X O X . | $$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O X O O X . | $$ | . . . X O . . O O O X O X O O X 1 . . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X X . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm7 W=2 B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . O . O . | $$ | . . X . . O . X . X X . . O . X O . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . , O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O . . . O . . . . X . X . . . O . | $$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . | $$ | . O . . O X O . . . X . O . O O O X . | $$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . X . . . X . | $$ | . O X X . X . X O O O X . X O . O X . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X O . 0 O X O | $$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . X 8 O . O O X | $$ | . O X O X X O O X . . X 9 7 3 4 O X X | $$ | . O X . X O O X X X X . 6 X O X O X . | $$ | . X . X O O . X O O O . X 2 X X O X . | $$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O X O O X . | $$ | . . . X O . . O O O X O X O O X 1 . . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X X . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
White lives ( fills in). No good.
$$Bc W=2 B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . O . O . | $$ | . . X . . O . X . X X . . O . X O . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . , O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O . . . O . . . . X . X . . . O . | $$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . | $$ | . O . . O X O . . . X . O . O O O X . | $$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . X . . . X . | $$ | . O X X . X . X O O O X . X O . O X . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X O . , O X O | $$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . X . O . O O X | $$ | . O X O X X O O X . . X . . 1 . 2 X X | $$ | . O X . X O O X X X X . . X O X O X . | $$ | . X . X O O . X O O O . X . X X O X 7 | $$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O X O O X 6 | $$ | . . . X O . . O O O X O X O O X 2 4 5 | $$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . 3 X X . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bc W=2 B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . O . O . | $$ | . . X . . O . X . X X . . O . X O . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . , O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O . . . O . . . . X . X . . . O . | $$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . | $$ | . O . . O X O . . . X . O . O O O X . | $$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . X . . . X . | $$ | . O X X . X . X O O O X . X O . O X . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X O . , O X O | $$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . X . O . O O X | $$ | . O X O X X O O X . . X . . 1 . 2 X X | $$ | . O X . X O O X X X X . . X O X O X . | $$ | . X . X O O . X O O O . X . X X O X 7 | $$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O X O O X 6 | $$ | . . . X O . . O O O X O X O O X 2 4 5 | $$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . 3 X X . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
And I lose the capturing race.
Re: ??. Magicwand (3d) vs. daniel_the_smith (1k)
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 1:46 pm
by daniel_the_smith
Sorry I'm so slow with the last few moves.
$$Wc W=2 B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . O . O . | $$ | . . X . . O . X . X X . . O . X O . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . , O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O . . . O . . . . X . X . . . O . | $$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . | $$ | . O . . O X O . . . X . O . O O O X . | $$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . X . . . X . | $$ | . O X X . X . X O O O X . X O . O X . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X O . , O X O | $$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . X . O . O O X | $$ | . O X O X X O O X . . X . . . . . X X | $$ | . O X . X O O X X X X . . X O . O X . | $$ | . X . X O O . X O O O . X . X X O X . | $$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . O B . | $$ | . . . X O . . O O O X O X O . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X X . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wc W=2 B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . O . O . | $$ | . . X . . O . X . X X . . O . X O . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . , O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O . . . O . . . . X . X . . . O . | $$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . | $$ | . O . . O X O . . . X . O . O O O X . | $$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . X . . . X . | $$ | . O X X . X . X O O O X . X O . O X . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X O . , O X O | $$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . X . O . O O X | $$ | . O X O X X O O X . . X . . . . . X X | $$ | . O X . X O O X X X X . . X O . O X . | $$ | . X . X O O . X O O O . X . X X O X . | $$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . O B . | $$ | . . . X O . . O O O X O X O . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X X . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I haven't read this one out, too busy.
I don't think it works though. I'm quite sure the other moves don't work.
Re: ??. Magicwand (3d) vs. daniel_the_smith (1k)
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 3:55 pm
by Magicwand
$$Wc W=2 B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . O . O . | $$ | . . X . . O . X . X X . . O . X O . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . , O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O . . . O . . . . X . X . . . O . | $$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . | $$ | . O . . O X O . . . X . O . O O O X . | $$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . X . . . X . | $$ | . O X X . X . X O O O X . X O . O X . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X O . , O X O | $$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . X . O . O O X | $$ | . O X O X X O O X . . X . . . . . X X | $$ | . O X . X O O X X X X . . X O . O X . | $$ | . X . X O O . X O O O . X 3 X X O X . | $$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O 2 1 O X . | $$ | . . . X O . . O O O X O X O . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X X . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wc W=2 B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . O . O . | $$ | . . X . . O . X . X X . . O . X O . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . , O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O . . . O . . . . X . X . . . O . | $$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . | $$ | . O . . O X O . . . X . O . O O O X . | $$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . X . . . X . | $$ | . O X X . X . X O O O X . X O . O X . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X O . , O X O | $$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . X . O . O O X | $$ | . O X O X X O O X . . X . . . . . X X | $$ | . O X . X O O X X X X . . X O . O X . | $$ | . X . X O O . X O O O . X 3 X X O X . | $$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O 2 1 O X . | $$ | . . . X O . . O O O X O X O . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X X . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
no problem for late move.
Re: ??. Magicwand (3d) vs. daniel_the_smith (1k)
Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 11:35 am
by daniel_the_smith
Time for another late move
$$Wc W=2 B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . O . O . | $$ | . . X . . O . X . X X . . O . X O . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . , O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O . . . O . . . . X . X . . . O . | $$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . | $$ | . O . . O X O . . . X . O . O O O X . | $$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . X . . . X . | $$ | . O X X . X . X O O O X . X O . O X . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X O . , O X O | $$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . X . O . O O X | $$ | . O X O X X O O X . . X . . . . B X X | $$ | . O X . X O O X X X X . . X O . O X . | $$ | . X . X O O . X O O O . X O X X O X . | $$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O X O O X . | $$ | . . . X O . . O O O X O X O . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X X . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wc W=2 B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . O . O . | $$ | . . X . . O . X . X X . . O . X O . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . , O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O . . . O . . . . X . X . . . O . | $$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . | $$ | . O . . O X O . . . X . O . O O O X . | $$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . X . . . X . | $$ | . O X X . X . X O O O X . X O . O X . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X O . , O X O | $$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . X . O . O O X | $$ | . O X O X X O O X . . X . . . . B X X | $$ | . O X . X O O X X X X . . X O . O X . | $$ | . X . X O O . X O O O . X O X X O X . | $$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O X O O X . | $$ | . . . X O . . O O O X O X O . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X X . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I can try this to try and give up some stones while catching the rest, but white can resist. I'm not 100% sure who wins this race:
$$Bc W=2 B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . O . O . | $$ | . . X . . O . X . X X . . O . X O . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . , O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O . . . O . . . . X . X . . . O . | $$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . | $$ | . O . . O X O . . . X . O . O O O X . | $$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . X . . 0 X . | $$ | . O X X . X . X O O O X . X O . O X . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X O . , O X O | $$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . X . O . O O X | $$ | . O X O X X O O X . . X . . 4 3 1 X X | $$ | . O X . X O O X X X X . . X O 2 O X . | $$ | . X . X O O . X O O O . X O X X O X . | $$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O X O O X . | $$ | . . . X O . . O O O X O X O 5 X 6 8 9 | $$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . 7 X X . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bc W=2 B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . O . O . | $$ | . . X . . O . X . X X . . O . X O . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . , O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O . . . O . . . . X . X . . . O . | $$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . | $$ | . O . . O X O . . . X . O . O O O X . | $$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . X . . 0 X . | $$ | . O X X . X . X O O O X . X O . O X . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X O . , O X O | $$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . X . O . O O X | $$ | . O X O X X O O X . . X . . 4 3 1 X X | $$ | . O X . X O O X X X X . . X O 2 O X . | $$ | . X . X O O . X O O O . X O X X O X . | $$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O X O O X . | $$ | . . . X O . . O O O X O X O 5 X 6 8 9 | $$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . 7 X X . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
The other way I die, white wins this race:
$$Bc W=2 B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . O . O . | $$ | . . X . . O . X . X X . . O . X O . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . , O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O . . . O . . . . X . X . . . O . | $$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . | $$ | . O . . O X O . . . X . O . O O O X . | $$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . X . . 0 X . | $$ | . O X X . X . X O O O X . X O . O X . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X O . , O X O | $$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . X . O . O O X | $$ | . O X O X X O O X . . X . . 5 3 4 X X | $$ | . O X . X O O X X X X . . X O 1 O X . | $$ | . X . X O O . X O O O . X O X X O X . | $$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O X O O X . | $$ | . . . X O . . O O O X O X O 2 X 6 8 9 | $$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . 7 X X . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bc W=2 B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . O . O . | $$ | . . X . . O . X . X X . . O . X O . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . , O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O . . . O . . . . X . X . . . O . | $$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . | $$ | . O . . O X O . . . X . O . O O O X . | $$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . X . . 0 X . | $$ | . O X X . X . X O O O X . X O . O X . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X O . , O X O | $$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . X . O . O O X | $$ | . O X O X X O O X . . X . . 5 3 4 X X | $$ | . O X . X O O X X X X . . X O 1 O X . | $$ | . X . X O O . X O O O . X O X X O X . | $$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O X O O X . | $$ | . . . X O . . O O O X O X O 2 X 6 8 9 | $$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . 7 X X . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
can't be at for reasons mentioned previously.
If white decides to take only the four stones then I will have to count, white will have gained a lot.
Re: ??. Magicwand (3d) vs. daniel_the_smith (1k)
Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 12:50 pm
by Magicwand
$$Wc W=2 B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . O . O . | $$ | . . X . . O . X . X X . . O . X O . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . , O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O . . . O . . . . X . X . . . O . | $$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . | $$ | . O . . O X O . . . X . O . O O O X . | $$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . X . . . X . | $$ | . O X X . X . X O O O X . X O . O X . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X O . , O X O | $$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . X . O . O O X | $$ | . O X O X X O O X . . X . . . W X X X | $$ | . O X . X O O X X X X . . X O . O X . | $$ | . X . X O O . X O O O . X O X X O X . | $$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O X O O X . | $$ | . . . X O . . O O O X O X O . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X X . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wc W=2 B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . O . O . | $$ | . . X . . O . X . X X . . O . X O . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . , O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O . . . O . . . . X . X . . . O . | $$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . | $$ | . O . . O X O . . . X . O . O O O X . | $$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . X . . . X . | $$ | . O X X . X . X O O O X . X O . O X . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X O . , O X O | $$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . X . O . O O X | $$ | . O X O X X O O X . . X . . . W X X X | $$ | . O X . X O O X X X X . . X O . O X . | $$ | . X . X O O . X O O O . X O X X O X . | $$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O X O O X . | $$ | . . . X O . . O O O X O X O . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X X . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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can try this (which is the move I hadn't read out completely last night but now have):
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below...
fills in). No good.
I'm quite sure the other moves don't work.
to try and give up some stones while catching the rest, but white can resist. I'm not 100% sure who wins this race:
can't be at 
for reasons mentioned previously.