Joaz Banbeck wrote:...which goes nowhere for white like this:
$$Wc $$ | . . . O . . . O X X . X . O X O . . . | $$ | . . . . O . O O O O X . X . . . O X . | $$ | . . O O . 3 2 X X , O X X . O O X X . | $$ | . . X X . X 1 6 . . O . X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . 4 7 5 8 . O . X O X X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wc $$ | . . . O . . . O X X . X . O X O . . . | $$ | . . . . O . O O O O X . X . . . O X . | $$ | . . O O . 3 2 X X , O X X . O O X X . | $$ | . . X X . X 1 6 . . O . X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . 4 7 5 8 . O . X O X X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Throw-in?
Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand
Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 6:51 am
by Joaz Banbeck
crux wrote:
Joaz Banbeck wrote:...which goes nowhere for white like this:
$$Wc $$ | . . . O . . . O X X . X . O X O . . . | $$ | . . . . O . O O O O X . X . . . O X . | $$ | . . O O . 3 2 X X , O X X . O O X X . | $$ | . . X X . X 1 6 . . O . X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . 4 7 5 8 . O . X O X X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wc $$ | . . . O . . . O X X . X . O X O . . . | $$ | . . . . O . O O O O X . X . . . O X . | $$ | . . O O . 3 2 X X , O X X . O O X X . | $$ | . . X X . X 1 6 . . O . X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . 4 7 5 8 . O . X O X X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Throw-in?
Hmmm... thanks, I missed that.
$$Wc 4 at 1 $$ | . . . O . . . O X X . X . O X O . . . | $$ | . . . . O . O O O O X . X . . . O X . | $$ | . . O O . O X X X 3 O X X . O O X X . | $$ | . . X X . X O X 1 2 O . X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O X 5O . X O X X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wc 4 at 1 $$ | . . . O . . . O X X . X . O X O . . . | $$ | . . . . O . O O O O X . X . . . O X . | $$ | . . O O . O X X X 3 O X X . O O X X . | $$ | . . X X . X O X 1 2 O . X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O X 5O . X O X X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
That seems to make G3 a killing move for white.
Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand
Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 6:56 am
by Solomon
$$Bcm91 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . | $$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . X . X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . X O O . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O X X 3 X . O X O . . . | $$ | . . . . O . O O O O X . X . . . O X . | $$ | . . O O . . . X X , O X X . O O X X . | $$ | . . X X . X . . . . O . X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X O X X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm91 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . | $$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . X . X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . X O O . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O X X 3 X . O X O . . . | $$ | . . . . O . O O O O X . X . . . O X . | $$ | . . O O . . . X X , O X X . O O X X . | $$ | . . X X . X . . . . O . X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X O X X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
If anyone has any questions about this move, let me know...lol.
Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand
Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 7:00 am
by tj86430
Araban wrote:
$$Bcm91 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . | $$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . X . X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . X O O . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O X X 3 X . O X O . . . | $$ | . . . . O . O O O O X . X . . . O X . | $$ | . . O O . . . X X , O X X . O O X X . | $$ | . . X X . X . . . . O . X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X O X X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm91 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . | $$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . X . X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . X O O . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O X X 3 X . O X O . . . | $$ | . . . . O . O O O O X . X . . . O X . | $$ | . . O O . . . X X , O X X . O O X X . | $$ | . . X X . X . . . . O . X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X O X X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
If anyone has any questions about this move, let me know...lol.
@Araban:
Why is this sequence better than what MW suggested?
Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand
Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 7:02 am
by Joaz Banbeck
To observers:
So maybe the game goes like this:
$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . | $$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . 6 , X . . | $$ | . . X . X . X . O 4 . 5 . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . X O 2 . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O X X 3 X . O X O . . . | $$ | . . . . O . O O O O X . X . . . O X . | $$ | . . O O . . . X X , O X X . O O X X . | $$ | . . X X . X a . . . O . X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X O X X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . | $$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . 6 , X . . | $$ | . . X . X . X . O 4 . 5 . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . X O 2 . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O X X 3 X . O X O . . . | $$ | . . . . O . O O O O X . X . . . O X . | $$ | . . O O . . . X X , O X X . O O X X . | $$ | . . X X . X a . . . O . X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X O X X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
...and MW still has 'a'.
Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand
Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 10:29 am
by Magicwand
$$Bcm91 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . | $$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . X . X . X . O 4 . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . X O O . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O X X X X . O X O . . . | $$ | . . . . O . O O O O X . X . . . O X . | $$ | . . O O . . . X X , O X X . O O X X . | $$ | . . X X . X . . . . O . X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X O X X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm91 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . | $$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . X . X . X . O 4 . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . X O O . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O X X X X . O X O . . . | $$ | . . . . O . O O O O X . X . . . O X . | $$ | . . O O . . . X X , O X X . O O X X . | $$ | . . X X . X . . . . O . X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X O X X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
i thought about pushing throuh h8 before the bamboo joint. but no need to make things complicated. smooth sailing all the way to the end.
Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand
Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 10:55 am
by Magicwand
for obs only:
he can not answer my because he will die..
$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . | $$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . X . . X 2 O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . 0 . . . , X . . | $$ | . . X . X . X . O O 9 8 1 . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X 4 5 . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . X O O . 7 6 . O . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O X X X X . O X O . . . | $$ | . . . . O . O O O O X . X . . . O X . | $$ | . . O O . . . X X , O X X . O O X X . | $$ | . . X X . X . . . . O . X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X O X X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . | $$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . X . . X 2 O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . 0 . . . , X . . | $$ | . . X . X . X . O O 9 8 1 . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X 4 5 . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . X O O . 7 6 . O . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O X X X X . O X O . . . | $$ | . . . . O . O O O O X . X . . . O X . | $$ | . . O O . . . X X , O X X . O O X X . | $$ | . . X X . X . . . . O . X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X O X X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
i didnt do much reading on this..but probably same story as above.
$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . | $$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . X . . X 2 O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . X . X . X . O O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . 1 . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . X O O . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O X X X X . O X O . . . | $$ | . . . . O . O O O O X . X . . . O X . | $$ | . . O O . . . X X , O X X . O O X X . | $$ | . . X X . X . . . . O . X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X O X X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . | $$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . X . . X 2 O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . X . X . X . O O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . 1 . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . X O O . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O X X X X . O X O . . . | $$ | . . . . O . O O O O X . X . . . O X . | $$ | . . O O . . . X X , O X X . O O X X . | $$ | . . X X . X . . . . O . X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X O X X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
square jump is not much better.. and his other group will suffer.
$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . | $$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X O . . . . . b . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . X . . X . O . 5 . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . 4 . , X . . | $$ | . . X . X . X . O O . 1 . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . a 0 8 6 . . X 3 2 . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . 9 7 X O O . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O X X X X . O X O . . . | $$ | . . . . O . O O O O X . X . . . O X . | $$ | . . O O . . . X X , O X X . O O X X . | $$ | . . X X . X . . . . O . X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X O X X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . | $$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X O . . . . . b . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . X . . X . O . 5 . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . 4 . , X . . | $$ | . . X . X . X . O O . 1 . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . a 0 8 6 . . X 3 2 . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . 9 7 X O O . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O X X X X . O X O . . . | $$ | . . . . O . O O O O X . X . . . O X . | $$ | . . O O . . . X X , O X X . O O X X . | $$ | . . X X . X . . . . O . X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X O X X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
i am not saying that i will play above sequences. i am just brain stroming on possible variations. i will do more detailed reading after his move. this is how i read and play. that is why i can not understand Topazg for drawing every possible variation on next move..
Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand
Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 12:37 pm
by Magicwand
for obs only:
$$Bcm91 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . | $$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . X . X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . 9 8 6 4 . . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O B . 7 5 X O O . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . W . . . O X X X X . O X O . . . | $$ | . . . . O . O O O O X . X . . . O X . | $$ | . . O O . . . X X , O X X . O O X X . | $$ | . . X X . X . . . . O . X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X O X X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm91 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . | $$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . X . X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . 9 8 6 4 . . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O B . 7 5 X O O . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . W . . . O X X X X . O X O . . . | $$ | . . . . O . O O O O X . X . . . O X . | $$ | . . O O . . . X X , O X X . O O X X . | $$ | . . X X . X . . . . O . X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X O X X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
his exchange was nothing complicated.. just to make sure he disconnect my group. was it worth aji-keshi? IMO NO!.
after below exchange he will be attacked and lose points and might die. that exchange, by looking at the shape, can not be good. sometimes shape doesnt really matter if it accomplish your goal but this wasnt the case.
$$Wcm1 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . | $$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . X 4 X . X . O O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 3 1 . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X 2 . . X O O . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O X X X X . O X O . . . | $$ | . . . . O . O O O O X . X . . . O X . | $$ | . . O O . . . X X , O X X . O O X X . | $$ | . . X X . X . . . . O . X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X O X X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . | $$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . X 4 X . X . O O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 3 1 . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X 2 . . X O O . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O X X X X . O X O . . . | $$ | . . . . O . O O O O X . X . . . O X . | $$ | . . O O . . . X X , O X X . O O X X . | $$ | . . X X . X . . . . O . X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X O X X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand
Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 5:44 pm
by Violence
D7 is one of those moves I look at and think to myself, Yeah... Solch is definitely stronger than I am. It's a very sharp play, and it's one of the things that makes it scary to play against him too.
And to Joaz:
$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . | $$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . 6 , X . . | $$ | . . X . X . X . O 4 . 5 . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . X O 2 . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O X X 3 X . O X O . . . | $$ | . . . . O . O O O O X . X . . . O X . | $$ | . . O O . . . X X , O X X . O O X X . | $$ | . . X X . X 6 . . . O . X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . 7 . . O . X O X X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . | $$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . 6 , X . . | $$ | . . X . X . X . O 4 . 5 . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . X O 2 . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O X X 3 X . O X O . . . | $$ | . . . . O . O O O O X . X . . . O X . | $$ | . . O O . . . X X , O X X . O O X X . | $$ | . . X X . X 6 . . . O . X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . 7 . . O . X O X X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand
Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 6:52 pm
by Solomon
$$Bcm91 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . | $$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . X . X . X . O O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . 5 . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . X O O . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O X X X X . O X O . . . | $$ | . . . . O . O O O O X . X . . . O X . | $$ | . . O O . . . X X , O X X . O O X X . | $$ | . . X X . X . . . . O . X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X O X X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm91 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . | $$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . X . X . X . O O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . 5 . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . X O O . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O X X X X . O X O . . . | $$ | . . . . O . O O O O X . X . . . O X . | $$ | . . O O . . . X X , O X X . O O X X . | $$ | . . X X . X . . . . O . X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X O X X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
It's tempting to try and move out faster with a move like M10, but a followup of M8 by W would be irritating. My group is not 100% alive, but the situation is getting better for me.
Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand
Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 3:12 am
by Magicwand
$$Bcm91 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . | $$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . X . X . X . O O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . 6 . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . X O O . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O X X X X . O X O . . . | $$ | . . . . O . O O O O X . X . . . O X . | $$ | . . O O . . . X X , O X X . O O X X . | $$ | . . X X . X . . . . O . X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X O X X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm91 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . | $$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . X . X . X . O O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . 6 . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . X O O . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O X X X X . O X O . . . | $$ | . . . . O . O O O O X . X . . . O X . | $$ | . . O O . . . X X , O X X . O O X X . | $$ | . . X X . X . . . . O . X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X O X X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
he is trying to come up for air... i will push him down again to make sure he drowns.
Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand
Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 7:04 am
by Magicwand
for obs:
below is the moves that i think is a mistake. some i didnt discuss some i already did. my opponent made 10 moves i would never play. (which means that is wrong move) every move white made i like. i am thinking i am stronger than he is.
$$Bcm91 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . B . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X B O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . | $$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . B . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . X . X . X . O O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . 6 . . . . . . B . B . . . . . . | $$ | . . O B . . . X O O . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O X X X B . O B O . . . | $$ | . . . . O . O O O O X . X . . . O X . | $$ | . . O O . . . X X , O X X . O O X X . | $$ | . . X X . X . . . . O . X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . B O X X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O B . X . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm91 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . B . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X B O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . | $$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . B . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . X . X . X . O O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . 6 . . . . . . B . B . . . . . . | $$ | . . O B . . . X O O . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O X X X B . O B O . . . | $$ | . . . . O . O O O O X . X . . . O X . | $$ | . . O O . . . X X , O X X . O O X X . | $$ | . . X X . X . . . . O . X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . B O X X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O B . X . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
there are local reading and global reading. locally my opponent's reading is probably close to equal to mine. globally i feel that his reading is little subpar.
Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand
Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 7:18 am
by Aphelion
Methinks Magicwand is feeling some pressure.
Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand
Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 7:33 am
by Kirby
@Magicwand:
Your comment about global vs. local reading is interesting to me. I have always heard that, to get better at reading, you can do go problems.
Well, presumably both you and Araban have done go problems and have developed your reading skills.
What makes a person better at global reading, then? If you both practiced your reading ability, what makes one better globally?
Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand
Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 8:08 am
by Magicwand
Kirby wrote:@Magicwand:
Your comment about global vs. local reading is interesting to me. I have always heard that, to get better at reading, you can do go problems.
Well, presumably both you and Araban have done go problems and have developed your reading skills.
What makes a person better at global reading, then? If you both practiced your reading ability, what makes one better globally?
i will say it is out of the experience. although he has same rank as me and beat me before i noticed that he lack the experience. last game i gave him too much credit and didnt play my game. this game i am playing to win.
he had a chance to go ahead at below diag. but he let his guard down and gave me sente.
$$Bcm61 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . c . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . | $$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 3 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . X . . X . 5 . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . X . X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . O . O O . . . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . O O . . . X X , . . X . O O X X . | $$ | . . X X . X . . . . . . X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . c . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . | $$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 3 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . X . . X . 5 . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . X . X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . O . O O . . . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . O O . . . X X , . . X . O O X X . | $$ | . . X X . X . . . . . . X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
i was down points but i played a move that will payoff later. although i could have saved the corner i can not win with that. it is my best example of global reading.
$$Bcm61 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . | $$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . X . . X . 6 . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . X . X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . O . O O . . . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . O O . . . X X , . . X . O O X X . | $$ | . . X X . X . . . . . . X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
because he will die..
