My instinct was to capture, but I didn't like this. I spent a good while thinking about the actual values of reading out - Even if White connects, Black fixes by removing the aji of the two stones anyway, and it felt like connecting to H9 in gote as below was too slow, and Black is better off than after the capture. As we cannot go back to the atari, I figure it's safe now to discuss the likely continuation instead - fight the ko perhaps?
$$Wcm150 Move 150 Prisoners White 0 Black 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . O O . | $$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . . X O O X X . | $$ | . . . O . . X X . X . X . X X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X O X . | $$ | . . . O O O X . . . . O . . O O O O . | $$ | . . . O . 1 X 4 . . X O . . . O X X O | $$ | . . . O O 3 O X . O X X O O . O O X . | $$ | . . . O X O 2 6 . . X O X O X O X . X | $$ | . . O X X 7 5 . . X . . X . . O X . . | $$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . | $$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . | $$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . | $$ | . O X O . O O O X O X X X X O . O X . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X O . . O O X X O O . | $$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm150 Move 150 Prisoners White 0 Black 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . O O . | $$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . . X O O X X . | $$ | . . . O . . X X . X . X . X X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X O X . | $$ | . . . O O O X . . . . O . . O O O O . | $$ | . . . O . 1 X 4 . . X O . . . O X X O | $$ | . . . O O 3 O X . O X X O O . O O X . | $$ | . . . O X O 2 6 . . X O X O X O X . X | $$ | . . O X X 7 5 . . X . . X . . O X . . | $$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . | $$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . | $$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . | $$ | . O X O . O O O X O X X X X O . O X . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X O . . O O X X O O . | $$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Stuff I also looked at and dismissed:
$$Wcm150 Move 150 Prisoners White 0 Black 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . O O . | $$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . . X O O X X . | $$ | . . . O . . X X . X . X . X X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X O X . | $$ | . . . O O O X 5 . . 7 O . . O O O O . | $$ | . . . O . 1 X 3 . . X O . . . O X X O | $$ | . . . O O 4 6 X . O X X O O . O O X . | $$ | . . . O X O 2 . . . X O X O X O X . X | $$ | . . O X X . . . . X . . X . . O X . . | $$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . | $$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . | $$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . | $$ | . O X O . O O O X O X X X X O . O X . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X O . . O O X X O O . | $$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm150 Move 150 Prisoners White 0 Black 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . O O . | $$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . . X O O X X . | $$ | . . . O . . X X . X . X . X X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X O X . | $$ | . . . O O O X 5 . . 7 O . . O O O O . | $$ | . . . O . 1 X 3 . . X O . . . O X X O | $$ | . . . O O 4 6 X . O X X O O . O O X . | $$ | . . . O X O 2 . . . X O X O X O X . X | $$ | . . O X X . . . . X . . X . . O X . . | $$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . | $$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . | $$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . | $$ | . O X O . O O O X O X X X X O . O X . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X O . . O O X X O O . | $$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
EDIT: Maybe this is what's annoying about this one?
$$Wcm150 Move 150 Prisoners White 0 Black 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . O O . | $$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . . X O O X X . | $$ | . . . O . . X X . X . X . X X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O 2 . . . . . . X O X . | $$ | . . . O O O X . . . . O . . O O O O . | $$ | . . . O X 3 X . . . X O . . . O X X O | $$ | . . . O O X O X . O X X O O . O O X . | $$ | . . . O X O 1 . . . X O X O X O X . X | $$ | . . O X X . . . . X . . X . . O X . . | $$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . | $$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . | $$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . | $$ | . O X O . O O O X O X X X X O . O X . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X O . . O O X X O O . | $$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm150 Move 150 Prisoners White 0 Black 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . O O . | $$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . . X O O X X . | $$ | . . . O . . X X . X . X . X X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O 2 . . . . . . X O X . | $$ | . . . O O O X . . . . O . . O O O O . | $$ | . . . O X 3 X . . . X O . . . O X X O | $$ | . . . O O X O X . O X X O O . O O X . | $$ | . . . O X O 1 . . . X O X O X O X . X | $$ | . . O X X . . . . X . . X . . O X . . | $$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . | $$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . | $$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . | $$ | . O X O . O O O X O X X X X O . O X . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X O . . O O X X O O . | $$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
That's an annoying move for Black to have in sente ..?
Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1
Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 6:36 am
by Magicwand
i can understand your thought but ... but i wouldnt connect 52 your first diag. black can not fight ko because white has too much ko threat.
i my opinion...it is pretty much same but might be very different ending. i approve! but i am thinking capturing would be better.
Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1
Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 6:43 am
by topazg
Magicwand wrote:i can understand your thought but ... but i wouldnt connect 52 your first diag. black can not fight ko because white has too much ko threat.
i my opinion...it is pretty much same but might be very different ending. i approve! but i am thinking capturing would be better.
Fair enough, there are too many alive / dead groups hanging around everywhere I gave up counting ko threats. I figured we're winning ( ) and therefore can afford to play safely like this
Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1
Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 7:09 am
by daniel_the_smith
topazg wrote:I figured we're winning ( ) and therefore can afford to play safely like this
Yeah, thanks to my bone-headed 143...
Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1
Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 10:12 pm
by Jordus
$$Bcm151 Move 151 Prisoners White 0 Black 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . O O . | $$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . . X O O X X . | $$ | . . . O . . X X . X . X . X X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X O X . | $$ | . . . O O O X . . . . O . . O O O O . | $$ | . . . O X . X . . . X O . . . O X X O | $$ | . . . O O X O X . O X X O O . O O X . | $$ | . . . O X O O . . . X O X O X O X . X | $$ | . . O X X . . 1 . X . . X . . O X . . | $$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . | $$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . | $$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . | $$ | . O X O . O O O X O X X X X O . O X . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X O . . O O X X O O . | $$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm151 Move 151 Prisoners White 0 Black 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . O O . | $$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . . X O O X X . | $$ | . . . O . . X X . X . X . X X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X O X . | $$ | . . . O O O X . . . . O . . O O O O . | $$ | . . . O X . X . . . X O . . . O X X O | $$ | . . . O O X O X . O X X O O . O O X . | $$ | . . . O X O O . . . X O X O X O X . X | $$ | . . O X X . . 1 . X . . X . . O X . . | $$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . | $$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . | $$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . | $$ | . O X O . O O O X O X X X X O . O X . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X O . . O O X X O O . | $$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I feel the urge to reach out and just do something crazy and try to make up for our loss.... But it wouldn't do any good if I don't try to protect what we already have either. What to do... What to do... *sigh*
Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1
Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 5:18 am
by Phelan
$$Wcm152 Move 152 Prisoners White 0 Black 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . O O . | $$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . . X O O X X . | $$ | . . . O . . X X . X . X . X X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X O X . | $$ | . . . O O O X . . . . O . . O O O O . | $$ | . . . O X . X . . . X O . . . O X X O | $$ | . . . O O X O X . O X X O O . O O X . | $$ | . . . O X O O 1 . . X O X O X O X . X | $$ | . . O X X . . X . X . . X . . O X . . | $$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . | $$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . | $$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . | $$ | . O X O . O O O X O X X X X O . O X . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X O . . O O X X O O . | $$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm152 Move 152 Prisoners White 0 Black 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . O O . | $$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . . X O O X X . | $$ | . . . O . . X X . X . X . X X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X O X . | $$ | . . . O O O X . . . . O . . O O O O . | $$ | . . . O X . X . . . X O . . . O X X O | $$ | . . . O O X O X . O X X O O . O O X . | $$ | . . . O X O O 1 . . X O X O X O X . X | $$ | . . O X X . . X . X . . X . . O X . . | $$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . | $$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . | $$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . | $$ | . O X O . O O O X O X X X X O . O X . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X O . . O O X X O O . | $$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
This seems to leave some interesting aji behind. I know topazg said we're winning, but I don't really see a win yet.
Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1
Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 10:31 am
by Violence
From my phone: J14.
Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1
Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 1:03 pm
by Magicwand
$$Wcm152 Move 152 Prisoners White 2 Black 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . O O . | $$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . . X O O X X . | $$ | . . . O . . X X . X . X . X X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X O X . | $$ | . . . O O O X . X . . O . . O O O O . | $$ | . . . O . W X . . . X O . . . O X X O | $$ | . . . O O . O X . O X X O O . O O X . | $$ | . . . O X O O O . . X O X O X O X . X | $$ | . . O X X . . X . X . . X . . O X . . | $$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . | $$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . | $$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . | $$ | . O X O . O O O X O X X X X O . O X . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X O . . O O X X O O . | $$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm152 Move 152 Prisoners White 2 Black 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . O O . | $$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . . X O O X X . | $$ | . . . O . . X X . X . X . X X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X O X . | $$ | . . . O O O X . X . . O . . O O O O . | $$ | . . . O . W X . . . X O . . . O X X O | $$ | . . . O O . O X . O X X O O . O O X . | $$ | . . . O X O O O . . X O X O X O X . X | $$ | . . O X X . . X . X . . X . . O X . . | $$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . | $$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . | $$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . | $$ | . O X O . O O O X O X X X X O . O X . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X O . . O O X X O O . | $$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1
Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 1:54 pm
by daniel_the_smith
Just realized it was my move.
$$Wcm152 Move 152 Prisoners White 2 Black 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . O O . | $$ | . . B . . X . O . . . . . X O O X X . | $$ | . . . O . . X X . X . X . X X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X O X . | $$ | . . . O O O X . X . . O . . O O O O . | $$ | . . . O . O X . . . X O . . . O X X O | $$ | . . . O O . O X . O X X O O . O O X . | $$ | . . . O X O O O . . X O X O X O X . X | $$ | . . O X X . . X . X . . X . . O X . . | $$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . | $$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . | $$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . | $$ | . O X O . O O O X O X X X X O . O X . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X O . . O O X X O O . | $$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm152 Move 152 Prisoners White 2 Black 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . O O . | $$ | . . B . . X . O . . . . . X O O X X . | $$ | . . . O . . X X . X . X . X X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X O X . | $$ | . . . O O O X . X . . O . . O O O O . | $$ | . . . O . O X . . . X O . . . O X X O | $$ | . . . O O . O X . O X X O O . O O X . | $$ | . . . O X O O O . . X O X O X O X . X | $$ | . . O X X . . X . X . . X . . O X . . | $$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . | $$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . | $$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . | $$ | . O X O . O O O X O X X X X O . O X . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X O . . O O X X O O . | $$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I think we're losing, thanks to me. Hopefully this isn't another silly mistake.
Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1
Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 2:32 pm
by topazg
$$Wcm154 Move 154 Prisoners White 2 Black 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . O O . | $$ | . . X 1 . X . O . . . . . X O O X X . | $$ | . . . O . . X X . X . X . X X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X O X . | $$ | . . . O O O X . X . . O . . O O O O . | $$ | . . . O . O X . . . X O . . . O X X O | $$ | . . . O O . O X . O X X O O . O O X . | $$ | . . . O X O O O . . X O X O X O X . X | $$ | . . O X X . . X . X . . X . . O X . . | $$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . | $$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . | $$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . | $$ | . O X O . O O O X O X X X X O . O X . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X O . . O O X X O O . | $$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm154 Move 154 Prisoners White 2 Black 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . O O . | $$ | . . X 1 . X . O . . . . . X O O X X . | $$ | . . . O . . X X . X . X . X X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X O X . | $$ | . . . O O O X . X . . O . . O O O O . | $$ | . . . O . O X . . . X O . . . O X X O | $$ | . . . O O . O X . O X X O O . O O X . | $$ | . . . O X O O O . . X O X O X O X . X | $$ | . . O X X . . X . X . . X . . O X . . | $$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . | $$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . | $$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . | $$ | . O X O . O O O X O X X X X O . O X . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X O . . O O X X O O . | $$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
The only move, and surely this helps White? Talk about activating the top stone:
$$Wcm154 Move 154 Prisoners White 2 Black 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . 4 2 3 7 . . . . . . X O . . O O . | $$ | . . X 1 5 X . O . . . . . X O O X X . | $$ | . . . O . . X X . X . X . X X X . . . | $$ | . 6 . . . X O O . . . . . . . X O X . | $$ | . a . O O O X . X . . O . . O O O O . | $$ | . . . O . O X . . . X O . . . O X X O | $$ | . . . O O . O X . O X X O O . O O X . | $$ | . . . O X O O O . . X O X O X O X . X | $$ | . . O X X . . X . X . . X . . O X . . | $$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . | $$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . | $$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . | $$ | . O X O . O O O X O X X X X O . O X . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X O . . O O X X O O . | $$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm154 Move 154 Prisoners White 2 Black 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . 4 2 3 7 . . . . . . X O . . O O . | $$ | . . X 1 5 X . O . . . . . X O O X X . | $$ | . . . O . . X X . X . X . X X X . . . | $$ | . 6 . . . X O O . . . . . . . X O X . | $$ | . a . O O O X . X . . O . . O O O O . | $$ | . . . O . O X . . . X O . . . O X X O | $$ | . . . O O . O X . O X X O O . O O X . | $$ | . . . O X O O O . . X O X O X O X . X | $$ | . . O X X . . X . X . . X . . O X . . | $$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . | $$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . | $$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . | $$ | . O X O . O O O X O X X X X O . O X . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X O . . O O X X O O . | $$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Maybe "a" is better before , but this looks good for us
Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1
Posted: Sat Aug 14, 2010 12:22 am
by Jordus
$$Bcm155 Move 155 Prisoners White 2 Black 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . O O . | $$ | . . X O . X . O . . . . . X O O X X . | $$ | . . 1 O . . X X . X . X . X X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X O X . | $$ | . . . O O O X . X . . O . . O O O O . | $$ | . . . O . O X . . . X O . . . O X X O | $$ | . . . O O . O X . O X X O O . O O X . | $$ | . . . O X O O O . . X O X O X O X . X | $$ | . . O X X . . X . X . . X . . O X . . | $$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . | $$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . | $$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . | $$ | . O X O . O O O X O X X X X O . O X . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X O . . O O X X O O . | $$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm155 Move 155 Prisoners White 2 Black 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . O O . | $$ | . . X O . X . O . . . . . X O O X X . | $$ | . . 1 O . . X X . X . X . X X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X O X . | $$ | . . . O O O X . X . . O . . O O O O . | $$ | . . . O . O X . . . X O . . . O X X O | $$ | . . . O O . O X . O X X O O . O O X . | $$ | . . . O X O O O . . X O X O X O X . X | $$ | . . O X X . . X . X . . X . . O X . . | $$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . | $$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . | $$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . | $$ | . O X O . O O O X O X X X X O . O X . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X O . . O O X X O O . | $$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
This is where joseki knowledge would come in handy.... as you can gather i lack that knowledge...
$$Wcm $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . a . . . . . . . . X O . . O O . | $$ | . . X 1 . X . O . . . . . X O O X X . | $$ | . . b O . . X X . X . X . X X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X O X . | $$ | . . . O O O X . X . . O . . O O O O . | $$ | . . . O . O X . . . X O . . . O X X O | $$ | . . . O O . O X . O X X O O . O O X . | $$ | . . . O X O O O . . X O X O X O X . X | $$ | . . O X X . . X . X . . X . . O X . . | $$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . | $$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . | $$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . | $$ | . O X O . O O O X O X X X X O . O X . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X O . . O O X X O O . | $$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . a . . . . . . . . X O . . O O . | $$ | . . X 1 . X . O . . . . . X O O X X . | $$ | . . b O . . X X . X . X . X X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X O X . | $$ | . . . O O O X . X . . O . . O O O O . | $$ | . . . O . O X . . . X O . . . O X X O | $$ | . . . O O . O X . O X X O O . O O X . | $$ | . . . O X O O O . . X O X O X O X . X | $$ | . . O X X . . X . X . . X . . O X . . | $$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . | $$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . | $$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . | $$ | . O X O . O O O X O X X X X O . O X . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X O . . O O X X O O . | $$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I want to play a, but my gut says to play b.... so i will play b....
The sequence I see is this:
$$Bcm $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . 9 . y . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . 7 2 5 8 a . . . . . . X O . . O O . | $$ | . . X O 0 X . O . . . . . X O O X X . | $$ | . z 1 O . . X X . X . X . X X X . . . | $$ | . . 6 3 4 X O O . . . . . . . X O X . | $$ | . . . O O O X . X . . O . . O O O O . | $$ | . . . O . O X . . . X O . . . O X X O | $$ | . . . O O . O X . O X X O O . O O X . | $$ | . . . O X O O O . . X O X O X O X . X | $$ | . . O X X . . X . X . . X . . O X . . | $$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . | $$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . | $$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . | $$ | . O X O . O O O X O X X X X O . O X . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X O . . O O X X O O . | $$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . 9 . y . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . 7 2 5 8 a . . . . . . X O . . O O . | $$ | . . X O 0 X . O . . . . . X O O X X . | $$ | . z 1 O . . X X . X . X . X X X . . . | $$ | . . 6 3 4 X O O . . . . . . . X O X . | $$ | . . . O O O X . X . . O . . O O O O . | $$ | . . . O . O X . . . X O . . . O X X O | $$ | . . . O O . O X . O X X O O . O O X . | $$ | . . . O X O O O . . X O X O X O X . X | $$ | . . O X X . . X . X . . X . . O X . . | $$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . | $$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . | $$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . | $$ | . O X O . O O O X O X X X X O . O X . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X O . . O O X X O O . | $$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
11 is played at a. white plays 12 at y or z, black responds with the one white doesn't choose. Black lives.
Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1
Posted: Sat Aug 14, 2010 11:51 am
by Phelan
$$Wcm156 Move 156 Prisoners White 2 Black 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . O O . | $$ | . . X O . X . O . . . . . X O O X X . | $$ | . . X O . . X X . X . X . X X X . . . | $$ | . 1 . . . X O O . . . . . . . X O X . | $$ | . . . O O O X . X . . O . . O O O O . | $$ | . . . O . O X . . . X O . . . O X X O | $$ | . . . O O . O X . O X X O O . O O X . | $$ | . . . O X O O O . . X O X O X O X . X | $$ | . . O X X . . X . X . . X . . O X . . | $$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . | $$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . | $$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . | $$ | . O X O . O O O X O X X X X O . O X . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X O . . O O X X O O . | $$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm156 Move 156 Prisoners White 2 Black 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . O O . | $$ | . . X O . X . O . . . . . X O O X X . | $$ | . . X O . . X X . X . X . X X X . . . | $$ | . 1 . . . X O O . . . . . . . X O X . | $$ | . . . O O O X . X . . O . . O O O O . | $$ | . . . O . O X . . . X O . . . O X X O | $$ | . . . O O . O X . O X X O O . O O X . | $$ | . . . O X O O O . . X O X O X O X . X | $$ | . . O X X . . X . X . . X . . O X . . | $$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . | $$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . | $$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . | $$ | . O X O . O O O X O X X X X O . O X . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X O . . O O X X O O . | $$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I think black's shape has problems, but I'm not sure if just going with the usual sequence is good enough. This looks like a L+1 shape, which is good for us, if I remember correctly.
Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1
Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 9:47 am
by Violence
$$Bcm157 Move 157 Prisoners White 2 Black 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . O O . | $$ | . . X O . X . O . . . . . X O O X X . | $$ | . . X O . . X X . X . X . X X X . . . | $$ | . O . . . X O O . . . . . . . X O X . | $$ | . . . O O O X . X . . O . . O O O O . | $$ | . . . O . O X . . . X O . . . O X X O | $$ | . . . O O . O X . O X X O O . O O X . | $$ | . . . O X O O O . . X O X O X O X . X | $$ | . . O X X . . X 1 X . . X . . O X . . | $$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . | $$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . | $$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . | $$ | . O X O . O O O X O X X X X O . O X . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X O . . O O X X O O . | $$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm157 Move 157 Prisoners White 2 Black 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . O O . | $$ | . . X O . X . O . . . . . X O O X X . | $$ | . . X O . . X X . X . X . X X X . . . | $$ | . O . . . X O O . . . . . . . X O X . | $$ | . . . O O O X . X . . O . . O O O O . | $$ | . . . O . O X . . . X O . . . O X X O | $$ | . . . O O . O X . O X X O O . O O X . | $$ | . . . O X O O O . . X O X O X O X . X | $$ | . . O X X . . X 1 X . . X . . O X . . | $$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . | $$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . | $$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . | $$ | . O X O . O O O X O X X X X O . O X . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X O . . O O X X O O . | $$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
This is getting really frustrating... we're getting killed in that corner!? Ugh...
Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1
Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 9:51 am
by Magicwand
$$Bcm157 Move 157 Prisoners White 2 Black 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . O O . | $$ | . . X O . X . O . . . . . X O O X X . | $$ | . . X O . . X X . X . X . X X X . . . | $$ | . O . . W X O O . . . . . . . X O X . | $$ | . . . O O O X . X . . O . . O O O O . | $$ | . . . O . O X . . . X O . . . O X X O | $$ | . . . O O . O X . O X X O O . O O X . | $$ | . . . O X O O O . . X O X O X O X . X | $$ | . . O X X . . X X X . . X . . O X . . | $$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . | $$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . | $$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . | $$ | . O X O . O O O X O X X X X O . O X . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X O . . O O X X O O . | $$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm157 Move 157 Prisoners White 2 Black 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . O O . | $$ | . . X O . X . O . . . . . X O O X X . | $$ | . . X O . . X X . X . X . X X X . . . | $$ | . O . . W X O O . . . . . . . X O X . | $$ | . . . O O O X . X . . O . . O O O O . | $$ | . . . O . O X . . . X O . . . O X X O | $$ | . . . O O . O X . O X X O O . O O X . | $$ | . . . O X O O O . . X O X O X O X . X | $$ | . . O X X . . X X X . . X . . O X . . | $$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . | $$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . | $$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . | $$ | . O X O . O O O X O X X X X O . O X . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X O . . O O X X O O . | $$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
ok..now the corner is prettymuch dead.. and we are up for sure..in sente. we have time to go save uppper rt corner also
Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1
Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 10:06 am
by daniel_the_smith
$$Bcm159 Move 159 Prisoners White 2 Black 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . O O . | $$ | . . X O . X . O . . . . . X O O X X . | $$ | . . X O . B X X . X . X . X X X . . . | $$ | . O . . O X O O . . . . . . . X O X . | $$ | . . . O O O X . X . . O . . O O O O . | $$ | . . . O . O X . . . X O . . . O X X O | $$ | . . . O O . O X . O X X O O . O O X . | $$ | . . . O X O O O . . X O X O X O X . X | $$ | . . O X X . . X X X . . X . . O X . . | $$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . | $$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . | $$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . | $$ | . O X O . O O O X O X X X X O . O X . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X O . . O O X X O O . | $$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm159 Move 159 Prisoners White 2 Black 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . O O . | $$ | . . X O . X . O . . . . . X O O X X . | $$ | . . X O . B X X . X . X . X X X . . . | $$ | . O . . O X O O . . . . . . . X O X . | $$ | . . . O O O X . X . . O . . O O O O . | $$ | . . . O . O X . . . X O . . . O X X O | $$ | . . . O O . O X . O X X O O . O O X . | $$ | . . . O X O O O . . X O X O X O X . X | $$ | . . O X X . . X X X . . X . . O X . . | $$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . | $$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . | $$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . | $$ | . O X O . O O O X O X X X X O . O X . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X O . . O O X X O O . | $$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
That's big enough that I don't think I can ignore it.
) and therefore can afford to play safely like this 
, but this looks good for us 