$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 8 black: 5 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . O . X X O . . | $$ | X O . X O . . O . O O O . O O O X . . | $$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . X X . . . | $$ | . . X O O O O . . X X X X . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X O X O . O . X . . O O X X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . | $$ | . X . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O | $$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O . | $$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X O | $$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . B O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 8 black: 5 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . O . X X O . . | $$ | X O . X O . . O . O O O . O O O X . . | $$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . X X . . . | $$ | . . X O O O O . . X X X X . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X O X O . O . X . . O O X X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . | $$ | . X . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O | $$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O . | $$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X O | $$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . B O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I don't know if this is a good ko for me to fight. But regardless, I can't let him slide under to Q2.
Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 4:46 am
by Magicwand
$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 8 black: 5 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . O . X X O . . | $$ | X O . X O . . O . O O O . O O O X . . | $$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . X X . . . | $$ | . . X O O O O . . X X X X . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X O X O . O . X . . O O X X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . | $$ | . X . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O | $$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O . | $$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X O | $$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X . . . . W . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 8 black: 5 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . O . X X O . . | $$ | X O . X O . . O . O O O . O O O X . . | $$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . X X . . . | $$ | . . X O O O O . . X X X X . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X O X O . O . X . . O O X X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . | $$ | . X . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O | $$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O . | $$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X O | $$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X . . . . W . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 5:30 am
by Magicwand
on this trade...who gained? i try to cound and count it is almost equal IMO. may be i lose a point or two. but i still simplified the board and probably keep my sente so trade was good for white. i wonder what professionals say about this trade???
Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 6:15 am
by Uberdude
@Magicwand
In a handicap game I would expect the stronger player to gain a lot from ko fight trades, so I think in this respect black needn't be that upset as his profit from his threat is quite large (though on the plus side for you he made his r12 wasted). From my armchair I assumed you would answer it, did you not have enough threats? As you say you got sente for the rest of the yose which is important.
Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 7:08 am
by Magicwand
Uberdude wrote:@Magicwand
In a handicap game I would expect the stronger player to gain a lot from ko fight trades, so I think in this respect black needn't be that upset as his profit from his threat is quite large (though on the plus side for you he made his r12 wasted). From my armchair I assumed you would answer it, did you not have enough threats? As you say you got sente for the rest of the yose which is important.
Usually it is true in ko fight.. i still think i could have won the fight and take my sente but his ko threat was not big enough for me to answer. i am still not sure who lost on that trade. initally i thought i lost few points...then after some more thinking i think i gained because of sente.
three things..i didnt back down (maybe i should have but...not my style), i made the board much more simple, and i think i won this game.
Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 7:25 am
by Magicwand
how many point was that ko threat??? i assessed it would be about 19 points.
how many points LR corner?? i think it is about 16 points + alpha and i take sente. in conclusion black played 3 point gote move that is less than taking two stone. so ...black playing ko fight was not good idea... which means black should not have atari and try to reverse sente my right.
19 points appears big..but it is gote and finally it doesnt help him win this game. so it was wrong threat..(he didnt have enough threat anyway.)
Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 10:14 am
by Joaz Banbeck
$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 8 black: 5 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . O . X X O . . | $$ | X O . X O . . O . O O O . O O O X . . | $$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . X X . . . | $$ | . . X O O O O . . X X X X . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X O X O . O . X . . O O X X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . | $$ | . X . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O | $$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O . | $$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X O | $$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X . . . B O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 8 black: 5 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . O . X X O . . | $$ | X O . X O . . O . O O O . O O O X . . | $$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . X X . . . | $$ | . . X O O O O . . X X X X . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X O X O . O . X . . O O X X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . | $$ | . X . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O | $$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O . | $$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X O | $$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X . . . B O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Again, little choice: I can't let him have Q2
Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 10:54 am
by Magicwand
$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 8 black: 5 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . O . X X O . . | $$ | X O . X O . . O . O O O . O O O X . . | $$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . X X . . . | $$ | . . X O O O O . . X X X X . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X O X O . O . X . . O O X X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . | $$ | . X . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O | $$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O . | $$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X O | $$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X . . . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 8 black: 5 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . O . X X O . . | $$ | X O . X O . . O . O O O . O O O X . . | $$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . X X . . . | $$ | . . X O O O O . . X X X X . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X O X O . O . X . . O O X X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . | $$ | . X . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O | $$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O . | $$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X O | $$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X . . . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 9:21 am
by Joaz Banbeck
$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 8 black: 5 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . O . X X O . . | $$ | X O . X O . . O . O O O . O O O X . . | $$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . X X . . . | $$ | . . X O O O O . . X X X X . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X O X O . O . X . . O O X X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . | $$ | . X . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O | $$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . B X O . | $$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X O | $$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X . . . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 8 black: 5 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . O . X X O . . | $$ | X O . X O . . O . O O O . O O O X . . | $$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . X X . . . | $$ | . . X O O O O . . X X X X . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X O X O . O . X . . O O X X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . | $$ | . X . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O | $$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . B X O . | $$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X O | $$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X . . . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
@Observers:
I'd like to tenuki. but I can't.
$$Wcm1 Prisoners: white: 8 black: 5 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . O . X X O . . | $$ | X O . X O . . O . O O O . O O O X . . | $$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . X X . . . | $$ | . . X O O O O . . X X X X . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X O X O . O . X . . O O X X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . | $$ | . X . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O | $$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X 8 6 7 X O . | $$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X 5 X . X O | $$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . 1 2 X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X . . 3 X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 4 . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: white: 8 black: 5 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . O . X X O . . | $$ | X O . X O . . O . O O O . O O O X . . | $$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . X X . . . | $$ | . . X O O O O . . X X X X . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X O X O . O . X . . O O X X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . | $$ | . X . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O | $$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X 8 6 7 X O . | $$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X 5 X . X O | $$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . 1 2 X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X . . 3 X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 4 . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
The weak spot in my group is at the top. He can push in at the bottom, but he ends in gote.
Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 10:30 am
by Uberdude
@ Joaz
That move surprised me, but I didn't think much. Did you consider any other moves to defend, and if so how did you count them?
Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 10:38 am
by Magicwand
$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 8 black: 5 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . O . X X O . . | $$ | X O . X O . . O . O O O . O O O X . . | $$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . X X . . . | $$ | . . X O O O O . . X X X X . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X O X O . O . X . . O O X X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . | $$ | . X . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O | $$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . X X O . | $$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X O | $$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X . . . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . W . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 8 black: 5 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . O . X X O . . | $$ | X O . X O . . O . O O O . O O O X . . | $$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . X X . . . | $$ | . . X O O O O . . X X X X . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X O X O . O . X . . O O X X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . | $$ | . X . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O | $$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . X X O . | $$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X O | $$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X . . . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . W . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 11:47 am
by Joaz Banbeck
$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 8 black: 5 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . O . X X O . . | $$ | X O . X O . . O . O O O . O O O X . . | $$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . X X . . . | $$ | . . X O O O O . . X X X X . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X O X O . O . X . . O O X X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . | $$ | . X . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O | $$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . X X O . | $$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X O | $$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X 1 . . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . W 2 3 . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 8 black: 5 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . O . X X O . . | $$ | X O . X O . . O . O O O . O O O X . . | $$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . X X . . . | $$ | . . X O O O O . . X X X X . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X O X O . O . X . . O O X X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . | $$ | . X . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O | $$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . X X O . | $$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X O | $$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X 1 . . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . W 2 3 . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
If 2 then 3.
Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 12:12 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
Uberdude wrote:@ Joaz That move surprised me, but I didn't think much. Did you consider any other moves to defend, and if so how did you count them?
I have to do something to fortify the right side of my group, or I get killed as shown previously.
Trying to fll the ko is suicidal:
$$Wcm1 Prisoners: white: 8 black: 5 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . O . X X O . . | $$ | X O . X O . . O . O O O . O O O X . . | $$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . X X . . . | $$ | . . X O O O O . . X X X X . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X O X O . O . X . . O O X X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . | $$ | . X . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O | $$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O . | $$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X 3 X B X O | $$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . 1 2 X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X . . . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: white: 8 black: 5 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . O . X X O . . | $$ | X O . X O . . O . O O O . O O O X . . | $$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . X X . . . | $$ | . . X O O O O . . X X X X . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X O X O . O . X . . O O X X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . | $$ | . X . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O | $$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O . | $$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X 3 X B X O | $$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . 1 2 X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X . . . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Patching at Q3 does the job, but eventually I have to back up R5:
$$Wcm1 Prisoners: white: 8 black: 5 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . O . X X O . . | $$ | X O . X O . . O . O O O . O O O X . . | $$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . X X . . . | $$ | . . X O O O O . . X X X X . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X O X O . O . X . . O O X X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . | $$ | . X . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O | $$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O . | $$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X O | $$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . B X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X . . . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: white: 8 black: 5 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . O . X X O . . | $$ | X O . X O . . O . O O O . O O O X . . | $$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . X X . . . | $$ | . . X O O O O . . X X X X . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X O X O . O . X . . O O X X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . | $$ | . X . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O | $$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O . | $$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X O | $$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . B X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X . . . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
If he wants to fight the ko, I will eventually have to play both Q5 and Q3 ( because he has more ko threats ). So they are almost interchangable.
I prefer Q5 because in some lines that I read, I get to defend with the bamboo joint at O5, which has a 4 point threat to rescue lost stones.
$$Wcm1 Prisoners: white: 8 black: 5 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . O . X X O . . | $$ | X O . X O . . O . O O O . O O O X . . | $$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . X X . . . | $$ | . . X O O O O . . X X X X . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X O X O . O . X . . O O X X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . | $$ | . X . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O | $$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X B . B X O . | $$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X O | $$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X . . . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: white: 8 black: 5 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . O . X X O . . | $$ | X O . X O . . O . O O O . O O O X . . | $$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . X X . . . | $$ | . . X O O O O . . X X X X . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X O X O . O . X . . O O X X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . | $$ | . X . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O | $$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X B . B X O . | $$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X O | $$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X . . . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 6:55 pm
by Magicwand
$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 8 black: 5 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . O . X X O . . | $$ | X O . X O . . O . O O O . O O O X . . | $$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . X X . . . | $$ | . . X O O O O . . X X X X . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X O X O . O . X . . O O X X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . | $$ | . X . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O | $$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . X X O . | $$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X O | $$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X 1 . . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . W . . . 2 . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 8 black: 5 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . O . X X O . . | $$ | X O . X O . . O . O O O . O O O X . . | $$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . X X . . . | $$ | . . X O O O O . . X X X X . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X O X O . O . X . . O O X X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . | $$ | . X . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O | $$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . X X O . | $$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X O | $$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X 1 . . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . W . . . 2 . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 9:53 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 8 black: 5 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . O . X X O . . | $$ | X O . X O . . O . O O O . O O O X . . | $$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . X X . . . | $$ | . . X O O O O . . X X X X . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X O X O . O . X . . O O X X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . | $$ | . X . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O | $$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . X X O . | $$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X O | $$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X X . . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X O . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 8 black: 5 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . O . X X O . . | $$ | X O . X O . . O . O O O . O O O X . . | $$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . X X . . . | $$ | . . X O O O O . . X X X X . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X O X O . O . X . . O O X X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . | $$ | . X . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O | $$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . X X O . | $$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X O | $$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X X . . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X O . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]