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Re: #242 : siowy vs cobrahc
Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 3:10 pm
by cobrahc
Funny story... I was checking the Monday
BenGoZen of this week and a similar situation happened (on the top right).
Its something for me to try later and see how it goes.
I will also see how to follow up after `a`.
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Re: #242 : siowy vs cobrahc
Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 6:20 pm
by siowy
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Re: #242 : siowy vs cobrahc
Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:43 am
by cobrahc
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This is a vital point for black to separate the 2 groups.
I tried different variations first and it didnt work so well. For the record, I tried `a` to `d`.
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Where's he going to play next? Maybe `a` or `b`?
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Re: #242 : siowy vs cobrahc
Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2014 3:06 pm
by siowy
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$$Wc The UR corner
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This is my reading of the upper right corner. He can live there in gote any time, unless I reinforce. That's fine for me. He would get at most 5 points, and I'd lose ~15 points, but it's gote and it would also make my stones stronger.
I'm only considering the upper right corner now because his outside group is so weak that it's "as good as dead", so the strengthening of my outside stones wouldn't be that much help for me.
$$Wc other considerations
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This would be irritating. I want to play at
pre-emptively, which would help the LR moyo too. So I decide on that.
Re: #242 : siowy vs cobrahc
Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 10:35 am
by cobrahc
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Re: #242 : siowy vs cobrahc
Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 3:24 pm
by siowy
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Re: #242 : siowy vs cobrahc
Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 6:58 am
by cobrahc
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Re: #242 : siowy vs cobrahc
Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 7:13 am
by siowy
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Re: #242 : siowy vs cobrahc
Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 7:15 am
by cobrahc
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Re: #242 : siowy vs cobrahc
Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 7:25 am
by siowy
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I'd like to take sente to hane at x.
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Re: #242 : siowy vs cobrahc
Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 7:35 am
by cobrahc
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Later I will have to try and reduce this huge area that 'im giving' to black. :~
After the bottom/right is settled... Where should I play afterwards if I keep sente?
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Re: #242 : siowy vs cobrahc
Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 8:19 am
by skydyr
cobrahc wrote:
Is he going to follow the joseki? I want to close this in sente.
After a point, it's not a question of _the_ joseki so much as _which_ joseki, which is predicated on what black wants out of the situation. There are different josekis to choose from depending on what is more important to you: Direction, thickness, territory, follow-ups, sente, etc.
In this case, the joseki everyone learns first (
http://senseis.xmp.net/?44Point33InvasionJoseki#toc3 ) seems fine, as black is happy to turn his moyo mostly into territory, and I'm not sure what white would do that's so big with sente. Black may be able to try to take sente without much loss because of the left side stone, but this does complicate the bottom a bit.
Re: #242 : siowy vs cobrahc
Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2014 6:43 am
by siowy
I took a short trip overseas. Sorry for not notifying you beforehand.
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Re: #242 : siowy vs cobrahc
Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2014 8:23 am
by cobrahc
Hi siowy, no problem about that. I hope you enjoyed your trip.
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This really look bad for me. For some reason I though I would keep sente after the 3x3 invasion.
What is he going to do next?
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Re: #242 : siowy vs cobrahc
Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2014 5:50 pm
by siowy
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pre-emptively, which would help the LR moyo too. So I decide on that.