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Re: Hiratuka No Igo

Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 5:53 am
by Hane
Pippen wrote:Ok, so what would u recommend? Drago? Do I have just have to make sure hiraktu.exe gets into the command line or do I have to set certain parameters?
tested with Qt Go Board against Pachi 11, command used:

D:\Programs\board.exe -black "D:\Programs\Hiratuka10_36I\Hiratuka-13x13.exe" "-po 10000" -white "D:\Programs\Pachi 11\pachi.exe" "-f book.dat -t =100000 threads=1,pondering=0" -size 13 -komi 6.5

Hiratuka wins and plays much faster than pachi, but I think
Hiratuka is weaker than Zen 4, so I would rather play with Zen!

Re: Hiratuka No Igo

Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 6:57 am
by wauske
Mike Novack wrote:
Pandazilla wrote: THAT is why I would like us to be learning more about the new "Julie" neural net program that has appeared on the scene. NOT because it is particularly strong but because it can play at THAT level extremely fast on modest hardware. Which means it could play at that strength at quite reasonable playing speed on VERY weak hardware.
It's the first i've heard about this Julie-program. Any info on where it showed up (KGS, Tygem, forums)?
Also, the neural net posted a few topics down also works very quickly in a browser on modest hardware (the downloadable neural net one). I can even run it on a 2 year old Moto X 2014 (still reasonably high-spec android phone) without any problems though the touchscreen is a bit iffy on the small size ;)

Re: Hiratuka No Igo

Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 6:59 am
by Sneegurd
Hane, where from is board.exe? I am interested in letting engines auto play :)

Re: Hiratuka No Igo

Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 7:13 am
by wauske
QT Board looks like this one: https://github.com/Mezoka/Board

Re: Hiratuka No Igo

Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 8:01 am
by Sneegurd
Ah yes, I have overlooked he mentioned QT board. Thx!

Re: Hiratuka No Igo

Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 10:56 am
by Mike Novack
wauske wrote:
It's the first i've heard about this Julie-program. Any info on where it showed up (KGS, Tygem, forums)?)
Well I'm trying to follow the computer go tournaments.

It first appeared at the 9th UEC Cup (3/19-20) and played in the KGS Spring Slow Tournament (3/27-30).
The latter tends to list what hardware is being used by each contestant and special mention about the surprisingly little amount of time it was using (order of a second per move).

Not always easy for non-computer folks to always remember, but speed and time trade off. If it could run on the hardware it was on at a second a move then it could play at 10 sec per move on hardware just a tenth as powerful. Which would have it down to modest tablets and powerful phones, etc.

Re: Hiratuka No Igo

Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 11:19 am
by mazetas
At 1 kyu rating is free or i must pay after a trial period? Sorry for my english...

Re: Hiratuka No Igo

Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 1:47 pm
by dunknballer21
Hane wrote:
Pippen wrote:Ok, so what would u recommend? Drago? Do I have just have to make sure hiraktu.exe gets into the command line or do I have to set certain parameters?
tested with Qt Go Board against Pachi 11, command used:

D:\Programs\board.exe -black "D:\Programs\Hiratuka10_36I\Hiratuka-13x13.exe" "-po 10000" -white "D:\Programs\Pachi 11\pachi.exe" "-f book.dat -t =100000 threads=1,pondering=0" -size 13 -komi 6.5

Hiratuka wins and plays much faster than pachi, but I think
Hiratuka is weaker than Zen 4, so I would rather play with Zen!
You have Hiratuka playing using 13x13 strategy. Is this on a 19x19 board?

Re: Hiratuka No Igo

Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 5:06 pm
by splee99
mazetas wrote:At 1 kyu rating is free or i must pay after a trial period? Sorry for my english...
And I can't read Japanese. What is the condition of the trial version?

Re: Hiratuka No Igo

Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 8:17 pm
by Sneegurd
dunknballer21 wrote:You have Hiratuka playing using 13x13 strategy. Is this on a 19x19 board?
No, see the command line, he had it play with "-size 13".

Re: Hiratuka No Igo

Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2016 12:10 am
by mazetas
Help! I cant run this in Drago... I use it with its own interface. Any help for running in drago?

Re: Hiratuka No Igo

Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2016 4:25 am
by Sneegurd
mazetas, in the Drago Engine options, click "Add". in the next window you find a link to "engine.config". Click it, Notepad window opens.
After the GnuGo section, add this section:

Code: Select all

[Hiratuka No Igo]
url = http://www.vector.co.jp/download/file/winnt/game/fh665594.html
connection = not.required
level = arg:-po *0000
boardsize = not.required
chinese.rules = not.required
japanese.rules = not.handled
time.per.move = not.handled
total.time = not.handled
overtime = not.handled
Save file. In the still open Drago window, does it instantly appear in the list? If not, restart Drago. Go there again and click "already installed". Point to engine path etc. etc. Just add engine like you already did with others.

Re: Hiratuka No Igo

Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2016 7:03 am
by Pippen
I just did setup Hiratku with Drago. In my parameter windows it says "po - 10000". Does this mean the depth of search? Does Hira get bette if I change it to 50.000 or even 100.000?

Re: Hiratuka No Igo

Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2016 9:09 am
by mazetas
Sorry i made the steps but a message abnormal termination of engine occurs. Any further help?

Re: Hiratuka No Igo

Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2016 5:04 pm
by splee99
Drago is not a good interface, especially if you want Hirabot to teach you, just in case.

Gogui is much easier in terms of unlimited undo, let Hirabot switch color etc.