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Re: #264 Joaz Banbeck vs TegaiS
Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 3:18 am
by TegaiS
$$Bc
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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 4:12 am
by EdLee
$$B Peaceful
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Re: #264 Joaz Banbeck vs TegaiS
Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 1:53 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
$$Bcm11
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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 3:49 pm
by EdLee
I still want to pincer
( For
beginners . ) One pincer variation ( the ladder is good for B ):
$$B
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Re: #264 Joaz Banbeck vs TegaiS
Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 6:30 pm
by Bill Spight
$$Bcm11
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Because of the
stone, the Black stones in the bottom left are OK.
Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 6:53 pm
by EdLee
Hi Bill
$$B
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stone, the Black stones in the bottom left are OK.
Would you consider { (a) neighborhood, (b), and (c) } roughly miai ?
Re:
Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 7:02 pm
by Bill Spight
Hi Ed.
EdLee wrote:
$$B
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Would you consider { (a) neighborhood, (b), and (c) } roughly miai ?
Well, I think that "a" is a bit smaller. And I think that "c" is more urgent than "b", since if White plays at "d" the left side is problematic for Black. As you might have guessed, I like "e" instead of the slide,
.
Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 7:17 pm
by EdLee
Hi Bill
Interesting. I actually like (a)
We have to wait a little before AlphaGo-class apps drop to $2.
Then we get a numerical evaluation for each of these moves -- could be wrong, but hey, it's a start...
Re: #264 Joaz Banbeck vs TegaiS
Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 7:23 pm
by Go_Japan
Hi Bill and Ed,
g would be my first instinct besides a, but neither of you mentioned it. Why not?
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Re: #264 Joaz Banbeck vs TegaiS
Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 7:52 pm
by TegaiS
$$Bcm11
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I expect something like this
$$Bcm11
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I thought that without
exchange black will play B4 here, take the last large point and make the possible invasion at the right side more unpleasant. Not sure if it was correct way of thinking. The drawback of the
exchange is that black already has the K3 stone and gets the joseki position in sente.
$$Bcm11
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Probably this is better for black than the previous diagram.
Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 7:57 pm
by EdLee
Hi Go_Japan
( Ninja'd by W.
)
Nothing against the top, or (g) F17.
I was just looking at lower left corner ;
nice to hear Bill's feeling to tenuki.
Actually, the top is wider than the left.
My guess is Bill doesn't like to have to invade the left and suffer --
only my guess, though.
From the top right shimari, current theory says the right side is bigger than the top
( until AlphaGo says otherwise
).
After the right side, I wonder if the top and the left are miai,
or if the top is slightly bigger.
* * *
So far, very peaceful. After the last big points taken, the fights start...
Re: #264 Joaz Banbeck vs TegaiS
Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2016 12:25 am
by Bill Spight
Hi Go_Japan,
Go_Japan wrote: g would be my first instinct besides a, but neither of you mentioned it. Why not?
$$B
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Oh, surely it is playable.
But if you are going to play at "g", why not play at "b" first?
Re: #264 Joaz Banbeck vs TegaiS
Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2016 10:24 am
by Joaz Banbeck
Q9. Details later.
Re: #264 Joaz Banbeck vs TegaiS
Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2016 10:39 am
by Bill Spight
Q9?
$$Bcm13
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My sealed move.
Also if Joaz meant Q-11.
Re: #264 Joaz Banbeck vs TegaiS
Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2016 11:37 am
by Joaz Banbeck
Joaz Banbeck wrote: Q9. Details later.
I was trying to get a move posted before white went to bed.
$$Bcm11
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This is a very slow game. Both of us are playing conservatively. I'm inclined to follow the proverb 'Urgent before big', but there seem to be no urgent points.
There are five groups, none of which suggest urgent plays. Four of them are multi-stone groups, not easily attacked, and none readily capable of making large territory with one move. The fifth, his upper left hoshi stone, is exposed on both sides, so I'm in no hurry to do something there.
Having talked myself out of any sense of urgency, I'm looking for the biggest move. The top and right side are the two obvious candidates. The general decision is surprising easy. If I take the top, he can take the side; but if I take the side, he doesn't have an easy play along the top:
$$Bcm11 I have three comfortable continuations.
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One I have the general area decided upon, the exact spot depends upon how far I can go without leaving him room for a comfortable extension.
$$Bcm11 Too cramped for white.
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stone, the Black stones in the bottom left are OK. 
. 
exchange black will play B4 here, take the last large point and make the possible invasion at the right side more unpleasant. Not sure if it was correct way of thinking. The drawback of the