EGF vs AGA pros win-and-continue match

[Uberdude]

Mateusz beat Calvin Sun to make it 2 wins in a row for himself and team EGF. He was doing fairly well throughout but another bad timesuji from the AGA player gifted him an early finish.

[Uberdude]

Here are some stats from go4go on the activity and success of the AGA and EGF pros: total games, games vs Asian pros, wins vs Asian pros respectively.

AGA:
Ryan: 10, 8, 3 (one of which Chen Yaoye)
Eric: 16, 13, 1
Gansheng: 9, 9, 3
Andy: 7, 7, 3
Calvin: 0, 0, 0

EGF:
Ilya: 61, 33, 5
Pavol: 25, 11, 1
Mateusz: 33, 13, 3 (also had wins in Chinese C league not in go4go)
Ali: 43, 16, 1
Artem: 33, 19, 4

US Go Congress games aren't included but some big European events are (but only a few EGC, mostly the Grand Slam events for which there is no US equivalent) which will give the EGF more of the first number and AGA miss out on a few games vs Asian pros studying in US universities, but I think the general picture it paints is fairly reflective of reality.

[Aram]

Nice to see the activity and hard work the EGF pros paying off.

Hopefully they can clean sweep it 5-0

[Uberdude]

An interview with Mateusz after his 2 wins, his next opponent is Gansheng/William Shi.

https://eurogofed.org/index.html?id=249

And Hajin Lee presents a highlights review of the first game:

https://www.facebook.com/transatlantict ... 920676152/

[Oberlappen]

Yeah in this match we see the benefit, if players getting much practice. Our players in the EGF do more matches in Asia and in Europe there are more big Go events too. When I talked to Stephen Hu, he just recalled the US Go Congress and LA Cotsen Open, he couldn`t think of more big tournaments in the US, maybe he didn´t know about Canada, but I´m not sure, if there is something big in Go.

Also it could be a problem, that the AGA has not so much players. If I remember right, I heard of 2400 player in the AGA or something in that dimension (maybe I misheard it). In Germany alone we have around 2200 players, in the entire EGF it´s much more. And in Germany it´s easier with tournaments and many other nations too, we don´t have so big distances to go.
Even here in Germany, we offer many tournaments with private sleeping places, bringing an sleeping bag and sleeping pad with you, if you play an weekend tournament, cause sometimes you have to travel quite far. But in the AGA the distances are way bigger, it´s more of an challenge, even more with less players and less player hotspots.

ALso an problem could be with young players, who got no driving license, in the US the public transporting system is not as common, as here. In Germany there are more buses, metros, trams and trains, which can be used. It´s not easy to raise talents like that.

[Uberdude]

3-0 to Mateusz!

[hyperpape]

Hopefully they can clean sweep it 5-0

I'd still bet against it. I think Matteusz is the favorite against Eric, but not by an overwhelming amount, and Ryan is probably a little stronger than Andy. So Matteusz has a real chance to run the table, but I think it's less than a 50% chance.

...of course, I really wish I wasn't in the position of having to say "my team" probably won't get swept. Great work by Matteusz.

[sorin]

3-0 to Mateusz!

It is time for a hero to save the day next

I wonder what version of LZ was MyungWan using, since during the live comment he said it was giving black 80% winrate when Shi played the ogeima extension on the 5th line on the lower side, while my LZ was preferring white...

[jlt]

If I remember right, I heard of 2400 player in the AGA or something in that dimension (maybe I misheard it). In Germany alone we have around 2200 players, in the entire EGF it´s much more.

I don't think that number is correct. There is a listing of AGA members here: http://www.usgo.org/all-players-rating

I didn't count, but there are probably more than 10000 members. On the other hand, you are probably right that there are more tournaments in Europe.

[Ferran]

There is a listing of AGA members here: http://www.usgo.org/all-players-rating

I didn't count, but there are probably more than 10000 members.

21665, according to my computer.

The differences in population density are huge, however, and that has big implications in everyday life (public transport and infrastructure, for example).

Also, the difference in earnings and prestige between a succesful doctor and a succesful player are much more pronounced in the States than in Russia, I believe.

Then, judging from the list of Western pros who went through Eastern professionalization processes, more Europeans seem to reach for the source than North Americans.

Now, if I may query: is it me or Shi-shodan kept his calm much better than previous players? ER experience, maybe?

Take care.

[Uberdude]

Surma was never behind according to LZ 157b (15-block trained on 40-block)

surma vs shi.PNG (216.44 KiB) Viewed 11488 times

[Aram]

Now we'll get to see Mateusz against the two most active AGA Pros.
Interesting though that every EGF Pro has more activity.

Here are some stats from go4go on the activity and success of the AGA and EGF pros: total games, games vs Asian pros, wins vs Asian pros respectively.

AGA:
Ryan: 10, 8, 3 (one of which Chen Yaoye)
Eric: 16, 13, 1
Gansheng: 9, 9, 3
Andy: 7, 7, 3
Calvin: 0, 0, 0

EGF:
Ilya: 61, 33, 5
Pavol: 25, 11, 1
Mateusz: 33, 13, 3 (also had wins in Chinese C league not in go4go)
Ali: 43, 16, 1
Artem: 33, 19, 4

US Go Congress games aren't included but some big European events are (but only a few EGC, mostly the Grand Slam events for which there is no US equivalent) which will give the EGF more of the first number and AGA miss out on a few games vs Asian pros studying in US universities, but I think the general picture it paints is fairly reflective of reality.

[hyperpape]

The list of all ratings in the AGA includes players who aren't active--you can see that in the date columns. The number of active members has been a lot closer to 2000 than 20000. I believe active members typically consist of those who have played in a tournament in the past year, but there are exceptions. You can be a lifetime member, a member who doesn't play tournaments, or get a multi-year membership.

[Ferran]

The list of all ratings in the AGA includes players who aren't active--you can see that in the date columns. The number of active members has been a lot closer to 2000 than 20000. I believe active members typically consist of those who have played in a tournament in the past year, but there are exceptions. You can be a lifetime member, a member who doesn't play tournaments, or get a multi-year membership.

Let's see if the image uploads, I haven't used BBCode in quite a while. The very last column is not "2040" but the "Never" field. That said, expirations in 2019 and forward total 2461, although I'd expect at least some of those whose membership expired in 2018 to renew later on when circumstances allow.

Take care.

[jlt]

In comparison, there are 7261 active players in the EGF ( http://www.europeangodatabase.eu/EGD/Stats_Country.php ).

Active means

• For dan players: having participated in a tournament during the last 2 years
• For 1-10 kyu: having participated in a tournament during the last year
• For 11-20 kyu: having participated in a tournament during the last 6 months.

So we can estimate that there are 3 times more EGF than AGA players.