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I like this thread.

And in none of these examples do I see a need for the referee to be at least a strong amateur or better

xed_over wrote:I like this thread.

And in none of these examples do I see a need for the referee to be at least a strong amateur or better

Except that I think that the referee must command the respect of the players. And, as things are right now, being a strong player helps. As a friend once said, "Anyone who gives me six stones I call Sir."

Bill Spight wrote:

xed_over wrote:I like this thread.

And in none of these examples do I see a need for the referee to be at least a strong amateur or better

Except that I think that the referee must command the respect of the players. And, as things are right now, being a strong player helps. As a friend once said, "Anyone who gives me six stones I call Sir."

A fine viewpoint, to be sure. But I'd still have trouble giving my full respect to a teenaged referee, no matter how strong they are on the board

At this point of my go playing career, I will give respect to anyone the tournament organizers have appointed as referee. (S)he must have done something to earn their respect, and I'm not going to disagree.

xed_over wrote:... in none of these examples do I see a need for the referee to be at least a strong amateur or better

You think so? Let's try this. The first case took place in an international pro tournament and was well publicized. The reporter, in her original story, stated that "At the end of the game, B took the last dame. Yet the count showed W with a 0.5 point win. Everyone in the room immediately knew the score was wrong..."

Do you know why?

This is not something that only strong players would know, but I dare say the absolute majority of our kyu friends would have no idea what the reporter was talking about. Similarly, an amateur 5d up would know this without hesitation...

Case 1:
It's very suspicious that she put only ONE stone but not all of the prisioners back to her opponent's box, when it is claimed that her action was due to the different habit under different rules. Also as the information later shows it's a pro game, i doubt that a well-trained pro would have no knowledge that prisioners are used to count to final results under territory scoring.

I would put her, who did not keep her prisioner well, lost.

Case 2:
We all know the rule does not allow it, the only thing is what the penalty should be. I think the tournament TD should write it in their rules next time for easy reference.

Case 3:
Noise, smells can affect the thinking process. Because Go is a sport which one really need to think hard, I would not allow unnatural noise or smells during the game, unless mutual agreed by both players and also their neighbour players, if any. "Commonly used in some countries" is not a good excuse. Penalty? I'll ask her to erase the smells outside, and the time is taken from her game time.


Case 4:
Play fast or slow or how to put the stones on board that's all depends on what the player like. I would say nothing wrong with it. But commenting with others is not allowed. I would give her a warning, and if she did it again, i would put her in lost.

Does women have more complains over their opponents than men does? At least case 1&3 are women players.

kokomi wrote:Noise, smells can affect the thinking process. Because Go is a sport which one really need to think hard, I would not allow unnatural noise or smells during the game

Unnatural? Interesting choice of words. So, loud and smelly farting is perfectly ok, but using a smelly cream is not?

tj86430 wrote:

kokomi wrote:Noise, smells can affect the thinking process. Because Go is a sport which one really need to think hard, I would not allow unnatural noise or smells during the game

Unnatural? Interesting choice of words. So, loud and smelly farting is perfectly ok, but using a smelly cream is not?

Even though i do not feel so, but i think you can not prevent people from farting, so i will still say yes. farting is ok, cream is not.

What about smoking then?

kokomi wrote:

tj86430 wrote:

kokomi wrote:Noise, smells can affect the thinking process. Because Go is a sport which one really need to think hard, I would not allow unnatural noise or smells during the game

Unnatural? Interesting choice of words. So, loud and smelly farting is perfectly ok, but using a smelly cream is not?

Even though i do not feel so, but i think you can not prevent people from farting, so i will still say yes. farting is ok, cream is not.

What about a player smelling strongly of urine because he has pissed his pants? (I've actually seen this in a tournament)

illluck wrote:What about smoking then?

Well, wholly unacceptable in a tournament by American norms, and banned from the competition area in Japanese professional go, so you have at least two votes there.

Where I'm from, smoking is completely banned indoors, and I imagine most buildings where tournaments are being held would have a smoke-free policy. But if smoking is allowed within the building, and the tournament director(s) do(es) not rule against it, I would allow it.

An adult pisses on his pants? I think people should kindly advice him to see a doctor, but not keep him in a tournament.

HermanHiddema wrote:
What about a player smelling strongly of urine because he has pissed his pants? (I've actually seen this in a tournament)

I don't want to know

It was a long game and I was entering byo yomi. How would I be able to think with a full bladder ? I did the only rational thing .