Life In 19x19

kokomi wrote:How much do you need to pay for playing on IGS in Japan?

Information is here.

https://sec.pandanet.co.jp/asp/panda/register.asp

Quick summary, by the game you can pay 262 yen. 2100 yen per month for unlimited. You can also pay by the year.

oren wrote:

kokomi wrote:How much do you need to pay for playing on IGS in Japan?

Information is here.

https://sec.pandanet.co.jp/asp/panda/register.asp

Quick summary, by the game you can pay 262 yen. 2100 yen per month for unlimited. You can also pay by the year.

I don't think that business model will last...

oren wrote:

kokomi wrote:How much do you need to pay for playing on IGS in Japan?

Information is here.

https://sec.pandanet.co.jp/asp/panda/register.asp

Quick summary, by the game you can pay 262 yen. 2100 yen per month for unlimited. You can also pay by the year.

thanks, what can you buy with 2100 yen in Japan? say how many lunch bento boxes? A dinner at a restaurant?

Between 6 and 10 big macs?

quite expensive. Maybe cheaper than playing in a local club, i guess. I would not pay 8 bigmacs per month for playing on line

I think it's more than just playing - I think they also have pro games simulcast on the server.

kirkmc wrote:I think it's more than just playing - I think they also have pro games simulcast on the server.

Very few.

nagano wrote:

kirkmc wrote:I think it's more than just playing - I think they also have pro games simulcast on the server.

Very few.

I know they used to have more; at least I recall seeing, in past years, mentions of pro games that were broadcast with comments. They no longer do that?

The Nihon Kiin used to have an arrangement with IGS to broadcast title matches in real time. That ended some years ago and now the Nihon Kiin uses a different server (Cyberoro?).

A majority of the top seven title matches are broadcast, but I recall no commentary. The website lists the Meijin, Honinbo, Kisei, Tengen and Judan. The Kansai Kiin are even more devoted--they seem to broadcast several preliminary rounds of the Kansai first place tournament.

As far as I'm aware, no international tournaments are ever relayed.

I can't remember the details now, but there were ructions within the Nihon Ki-in at least a couple of years ago over the server issue.

It was something like this: a director of the Ki-in negotiated a deal with a Korean server, Cyberoro I think, which was not just about amateurs playing online but also about swapping records of pro games country to country. There was, somewhere in the mix, a further tie-up with a Chinese server which involved pro game swaps. The idea was that each country would respect each other's copyright of the games, the server company providing the protection. Copyright here meant, in practice, first publication rights, I think, but the other Chinese servers and their users rebelled en masse and blew that idea out of the water.

The Japanese ructions were to do with a different matter. There was a nationalistic faction inside the Nihon Ki-in that took the view that it was wrong to go to a foreign (Korean) company even for a better deal when a Japanese company (Pandanet) was available. As far as I can recall, the negotiators declared that the deal had to go through because it was already agreed, but the director concerned resigned as a palliative. I lost interest and lost track, so don't trust this account, but it made the national press for those who do want to track it down.

Certainly, since then, Korean companies have shown a keen interest in marketing in Japan, and the go magazines don't seem at all nationalistic about this. Cyberoro and Tygem seem to get plenty of mentions, though I can't pretend to have taken much notice.

kirkmc wrote:

nagano wrote:

kirkmc wrote:I think it's more than just playing - I think they also have pro games simulcast on the server.

Very few.

I know they used to have more; at least I recall seeing, in past years, mentions of pro games that were broadcast with comments. They no longer do that?

Now it's only the top boards in newspaper sponsored events, I believe.

hyperpape wrote:A majority of the top seven title matches are broadcast, but I recall no commentary. The website lists the Meijin, Honinbo, Kisei, Tengen and Judan. The Kansai Kiin are even more devoted--they seem to broadcast several preliminary rounds of the Kansai first place tournament.

Pandanet is the "official" server of the Kansai Kiin, so they use it pretty extensively.

There is commentary on major title matches, but you have to use the Japanese client to see it. I'm not sure how it gets sent, and I haven't been curious enough to check the telnet logs. It could probably be added to other clients easily enough if the right character set is used.