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I want influence around here. I will keep treating q12 and q17 as miai as I can't quite attack white's three stones until my group is settled.

The move is cutting, trying to surround, trying to get into the center and I honestly couldn't find another local move. It looks quite thin "running with a knights move" but I'm going to go with it.
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Cut now, think later. Maybe after a beer or two.
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That hurts. I don't think my result on the top is good but just fine. I guess it's about what you'd expect with 4 handicap stones. My group has done it's purpose (to break up this side and keep white small) but I haven't quite gotten around to any fun attacking yet.
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emerus wrote:
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That hurts. I don't think my result on the top is good but just fine. I guess it's about what you'd expect with 4 handicap stones. My group has done it's purpose (to break up this side and keep white small) but I haven't quite gotten around to any fun attacking yet.


Do not be so greedy. This hurts White a lot more than Black. I do not even see much hurt for Black. So far, I do not think that Black has lost any significant ground. Black has no weak groups on the board, while White is still thin almost everywhere.
A good system naturally covers all corner cases without further effort.
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I expected a more solid move from W with this contact play - I don't see any reason why I can't push and cut right now. Will have to read a little.
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(;B[og]
;W[ng]
;B[oh]
;W[oi]
(;B[pi]
;W[pj]
;B[qi]
;W[qj]
;B[qh]
;W[oj]C[Whites plan.])
(;B[ni]
(;W[oj]C[The ladder is working....]
;B[mi]
;W[qe]
;B[pe]
;W[pg]
;B[of]
;W[qf]
;B[qd]
;W[ql]C[Is it enough? Can W resist in another way.])
(;W[mi]
;B[nj]
;W[pi]C[Black is weak in the corner so maybe this is white's plan?]
;B[qe]C[Still, it's not easy for white.])))
(;B[qh]C[I do not like this way but it will for sure take sente....]
(;W[qi]
;B[qg]
;W[pi]LB[ee:A]C[Because of A, white is alive easily on the left but what can I get in sente?]
(;B[hi]
;W[fh]
;B[di]C[It feels wrong to push white into my framework first but turning in the center is also big.])
(;B[di]
;W[hi]C[Better?]))
(;W[pg]
;B[qg]
;W[of]
;B[pe]
;W[pi])))[/sgf-full]
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i dont have any answer to his cut...
but i will think abut it more
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