107: Emerus(2k) vs Abydos1(3k)

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A probe; do you want the corner? If so, I'll deal with the left side and fight for it later. Do you want the side? Then I'll take the corner.
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[go]$$Bcm21 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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I want to settle the corner to remove the aji of any invasions on the top and this goes well with my stone on the top.
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[go]$$Bcm21 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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Only move. Will he go for territory again?
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[go]$$Bcm21 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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[go]$$Bcm21 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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Black will be too thick in the corner if I play normally so I will just settle myself lightly and take some territory.
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[go]$$Bcm21 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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If you're fine with this joseki.
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[go]$$Bcm21 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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It's good, pretty much forced.

edit: thanks mw
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emerus wrote:
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[go]$$Bcm21 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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It's good, pretty much forced.

Diagram isnt showing up, I made tigers mouth shape.


Remove the spaces before the "$$."
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[go]$$Bcm31 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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[go]$$Bcm31 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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White wants me to play in the bottom right so he can press me and build a large moyo along the right. If he plays at :w4: here I expect something like this (although maybe :b5: should be on the 3rd line, I don't have much experience with moves like this). If he doesn't take the corner it's very large for me and spoils white's chances on the right.

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[go]$$Bcm31 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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If I just take the bottom left, white will play on the bottom middle which is a natural extension from both corner enclosures (if he was to get the enclosure) and if I invade the corner he builds the moyo on the right.

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[go]$$Bcm31 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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What an unusual approach. I have three moves that I've considered and I will think them through with you guys. First, from blacks perspective, I believe the right move was A. It aims at approaching at C or extending down the bottom at B. It also restricts whites chances of extending from her left side formation.

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So here is what I considered - first, an enclosure. Here - black can aim at a sequence like this. b35 works very well with his komoku stone. Blacks gains territory in the bottom left in exchange for solidifying whites left side. Blacks bottom area can be possibly invaded and easily reduced with a large move at B.

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Secondly, I considered playing at what I believe is blacks vital point with w34. Black has a wide variety of responses. Locally, the two of which that look best are labled at a and b. With both shapes, I plan on taking sente. However, since sente is so appealing to me, why would B allow it? He'll play C and white will be hurting for a response.

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Last, I considered a direct invasion/pincer as in this diagram. Now, if black slides in at a, white has b prepared. If black switches back to enclose at c, then w 4 is perfectly placed after white a. I'm happy with either result.

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So it's between the calm, territorial split of my first diagram and the more active white move in the last. Well, when you put it that way, the decision is clear to me. I'd love to hear observers input on this position.
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Re: 107: Emerus(2k) vs Abydos1(3k)

Post by Loons »

Question for Emerus;

You mentioned you felt black's last move should've been an enclosure. Why is this exchange better for you if black encloses now ?
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Re: 107: Emerus(2k) vs Abydos1(3k)

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I feel like that's a definite possibly and I had considered that.

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Consider this diagram where we essentially have facing shimari and competing extensions along the bottom of the board. I think black n4 is a questionable invasion.

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Compare it to something like this where black can now extend further at b35 or also consider an invasion/reduction(instead of b37) at a or b. His options are better and his potential for profit from his shimari is better.

This is my opinion on the position.
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Re: 107: Emerus(2k) vs Abydos1(3k)

Post by Magicwand »

to emerus:
compare bottom 2 diag and see why first is wrong.
they both cover point 'a'.
they are both gote and semi-sente as you said..
but if black choose to answer at marked at first diag..
then you are losing valuable points.
right?
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