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by joppon Tue Apr 26, 2011 10:19 am
$$Bcm21 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$Bcm Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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This, and similar variations are far too clean and even (or probably better for white) for my liking
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by Magicwand Wed Apr 27, 2011 1:31 pm
for obs only:
i didnt do much reading but...seems like an overplay.
after white connect 2 black doesnt have any good answer...
black needs to study joseky or avoid variations that he is not familiar with.
$$Bcm11 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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by joppon Thu Apr 28, 2011 1:14 am
How the bloody hell do I fix the diagram?
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by EdLee Thu Apr 28, 2011 1:35 am
joppon wrote: How the bloody hell do I fix the diagram?
If the current move is
, use:
[ go ]$$Bm21
"Bm21" means "1 == Black, move 21".
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by joppon Thu Apr 28, 2011 2:22 am
thanks EdLee
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by Marcus Thu Apr 28, 2011 8:38 am
Busy week, will post by EOD Friday (GMT-5)
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by Marcus Fri Apr 29, 2011 2:41 pm
$$Bcm21 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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There's a saying that your opponent's good move is also your good move. In all the variations of both large and small avalanche joseki I have seen, Black first plays where I have my
. To me, that seems to mean that I should take that point since my opponent neglected to take it.
From an objective point of view,
is solid. My corner becomes extremely difficult to attack, while Black has several stones ripe for leaning on.
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by EdLee Fri Apr 29, 2011 2:46 pm
Hidden until upper left corner completely settled,
Marcus wrote: My corner becomes extremely difficult to attack
Because it's alive.
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by joppon Sat Apr 30, 2011 1:39 pm
$$Bcm21 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm21 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$Bcm01 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm01 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
The idea is to build a wall to aid in capturing the stone at O16. And to control the middle game.
I also wanted to put pressure on white's cutting stone, but I could see no way of doing so without completely destroying the shape of my already thin stones.
Also, if I started a fight by, for example, playing at 'b' instead of 3; the variations are so complicated - because of the cutting points 'c' and 'd' - it becomes very diifficult for me to read beyond 10 moves afterwards.
'a' is a massive weak point for black.
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by Marcus Sat Apr 30, 2011 4:30 pm
$$Bcm21 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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by joppon Mon May 02, 2011 7:24 am
$$Bcm21 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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by Marcus Thu May 05, 2011 2:44 pm
$$Bcm21 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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by EdLee Thu May 05, 2011 2:56 pm
Hidden until upper left corner completely settled,
For beginners:
B's shape is not good here --
has hanes at both heads of
:
$$W
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$WB must fix his cuts; otherwise,
is severe:
$$W
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by joppon Fri May 06, 2011 3:50 am
$$Bcm21 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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I think W26 was a mistake. Perhaps W was thinking of the 'hane at the head of two stones' proverb. Should the proverb be applied when your opponent's responding hane is atari?
$$Bcm01 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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W 'a' then B 'b'. Black is more than satisfied.
$$Bcm01 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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I have also considered - but not yet decided on - playing B7 at 'a' or 'b'. Which of course is dangerous and perhaps needlessly complicates things.
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by Marcus Fri May 06, 2011 1:52 pm
$$Bcm27 Prisoner Count: :b1: :white:
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Do you agree? If not, you may respond to
however you want.
I can be satisfied with this. Black must fix something, and I can reduce however I see fit. A couple ideas in my head here. First, Black could protect his cut here. That's fine. I can reduce the top later using the aji of my lone stone:
$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: :b1: :white:
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With a/b miai above, I should be fine up top.
My cutting stone is still very hard to attack, too, and I can use it to push on his two groups:
$$Bcm27 Prisoner Count: :b1: :white:
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... and so on. I don't know if I'd push too far, but I can build a nice wall here ... I haven't decided exactly what I'll do here ...
, use:
. To me, that seems to mean that I should take that point since my opponent neglected to take it.
has hanes at both heads of 
:
is severe:
however you want.