117. levanez (3k) vs. Banaan (1k)

Puppycakes · Post by **Puppycakes** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 4:34 am

Two things wrong with this diagram. One is that :w6:

is misplaced. The other is that :b5:

should just be the capture of a single white stone to prevent a play at a for white (Or forcing black to patch it up).

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Truthfully, I don't think that black is too bad just yet. I mean, I think that his stones still have some good aji and he took some corner territory.

I mean, I think that the push was a mistake, but not too costly of a mistake.

Banaan · Post by **Banaan** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 4:56 am

White cuts!

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levanez · Post by **levanez** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 5:26 am

Such a good family separated :cry:

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Top of my head, after white connects, I'd like to play around (a) and see if I can develop the bottom or take another corner, but (b) seems important too. If white pincer (a) I'd certainly enter at the 3-3 point this time, and white would get sente to play (b). I have an uneasy feeling that things may develop badly for me if it happens. If I play (b) myself, however, it seems to have little potential and I don't have any idea how to continue. All other star points seem unattractive to me at this time. Enclosing the lower right corner makes little sense.

I wonder what white'd do here if I passed?

This incoherent rambling represents my thoughts during real game btw, which is why I tend to do badly in the fuseki stage. Too many choices, too many unknowns. :scratch:

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Banaan · Post by **Banaan** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 6:43 am

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Edlee:

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 2:56 pm

levanez,

levanez wrote:the prisoner count code should be B-1 or W-1?

W-1 is correct, but I also find it very confusing,
so I like the notation :w1:

to make it clear that a :white:

stone is captured.

Loons · Post by **Loons** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 3:43 pm

levanez · Post by **levanez** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 5:31 pm

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EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 6:11 pm

Banaan · Post by **Banaan** » Sat Apr 30, 2011 1:17 am

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I was thinking of 2 options, my first one was pincer again.

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But like this, that means another corner for b, and my influence seems a bit hard to use, because of the 5-4 stone on the other side.

I also thought about this:

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but now black probably plays C6, and I dont want him to get strong on the left side, because F18 cuts my wall off and sends it flying.

Next, b will probably play k4. I dont really want to play q3 yet, but maybe (w q3 b o3 looks nasty). Maybe i'll play around r10 first, splitting the side is always good.. I'll have to think about that.

levanez · Post by **levanez** » Sun May 01, 2011 1:30 am

It was a long Saturday, I barely had time to look at the computer, and now I have to work on Sunday too! :grumpy:

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Banaan · Post by **Banaan** » Sun May 01, 2011 3:03 am

W splits the side!

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I think this is the most logical move, I was also thinking of going into the corner (q3), but I dont really like the results there (yet?). I think splitting the side first is better.

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levanez · Post by **levanez** » Sun May 01, 2011 4:18 am

That's a move I didn't expect, I was waiting for an approach move either on the top or bottom. Banaan, give me some time to think on this. Since I won't be home til later tonight and Monday's looking to be quite busy, it may take me a while to come up with a response. But rest assured I won't forget our game

levanez · Post by **levanez** » Mon May 02, 2011 5:17 pm

Banaan thanks for waiting. Here's my response:

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Loons · Post by **Loons** » Mon May 02, 2011 5:47 pm

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Tue May 03, 2011 2:08 am

Loons,

Loons wrote:W(a). 'Cause you virtually NEVER get the chance to play those high approaches!

W(a) seems wrong direction: :ws:

is already strong, so W wants to help the weaker stone :wc:

;

feels like better direction:

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Re: 117. levanez (3k) vs. Banaan (1k)

Re: 117. levanez (3k) vs. Banaan (1k)

Re: 117. levanez (3k) vs. Banaan (1k)

Re: 117. levanez (3k) vs. Banaan (1k)