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Re: 117. levanez (3k) vs. Banaan (1k)
Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 4:34 am
by Puppycakes
Two things wrong with this diagram. One is that
is misplaced. The other is that
should just be the capture of a single white stone to prevent a play at a for white (Or forcing black to patch it up).
$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0Truthfully, I don't think that black is too bad just yet. I mean, I think that his stones still have some good aji and he took some corner territory.
I mean, I think that the push was a mistake, but not too costly of a mistake.
Re: 117. levanez (3k) vs. Banaan (1k)
Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 4:56 am
by Banaan
White cuts!
$$Bcm17 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm17 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
Re: 117. levanez (3k) vs. Banaan (1k)
Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 5:26 am
by levanez
Such a good family separated
$$Bcm17 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
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Top of my head, after white connects, I'd like to play around (a) and see if I can develop the bottom or take another corner, but (b) seems important too. If white pincer (a) I'd certainly enter at the 3-3 point this time, and white would get sente to play (b). I have an uneasy feeling that things may develop badly for me if it happens. If I play (b) myself, however, it seems to have little potential and I don't have any idea how to continue. All other star points seem unattractive to me at this time. Enclosing the lower right corner makes little sense.
I wonder what white'd do here if I passed?
This incoherent rambling represents my thoughts during real game btw, which is why I tend to do badly in the fuseki stage. Too many choices, too many unknowns.
$$Bcm17 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
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Re: 117. levanez (3k) vs. Banaan (1k)
Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 6:43 am
by Banaan
$$Bcm17 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm17 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1Edlee:
Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 2:56 pm
by EdLee
levanez,
levanez wrote: the prisoner count code should be B-1 or W-1?
W-1 is correct, but I also find it very confusing,
so I like the notation
to make it clear that a
stone is captured.
Re: 117. levanez (3k) vs. Banaan (1k)
Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 3:43 pm
by Loons
Maybe compare.
$$Wc
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wc is a reduction often played quite a bit later, I think. Of course D19 isn't normally sente for white. Maybe not the perfect analogy.
Re: 117. levanez (3k) vs. Banaan (1k)
Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 5:31 pm
by levanez
$$Bcm17 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
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Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 6:11 pm
by EdLee
How about:
$$W
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Re: 117. levanez (3k) vs. Banaan (1k)
Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2011 1:17 am
by Banaan
$$Bcm25 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm25 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
I was thinking of 2 options, my first one was pincer again.
$$Bcm27 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm27 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1But like this, that means another corner for b, and my influence seems a bit hard to use, because of the 5-4 stone on the other side.
I also thought about this:
$$Bcm25 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm25 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1but now black probably plays C6, and I dont want him to get strong on the left side, because F18 cuts my wall off and sends it flying.
Next, b will probably play k4. I dont really want to play q3 yet, but maybe (w q3 b o3 looks nasty). Maybe i'll play around r10 first, splitting the side is always good.. I'll have to think about that.
Re: 117. levanez (3k) vs. Banaan (1k)
Posted: Sun May 01, 2011 1:30 am
by levanez
It was a long Saturday, I barely had time to look at the computer, and now I have to work on Sunday too!
$$Bcm25 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
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Re: 117. levanez (3k) vs. Banaan (1k)
Posted: Sun May 01, 2011 3:03 am
by Banaan
W splits the side!
$$Bcm25 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
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I think this is the most logical move, I was also thinking of going into the corner (q3), but I dont really like the results there (yet?). I think splitting the side first is better.
$$Bcm25 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
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Re: 117. levanez (3k) vs. Banaan (1k)
Posted: Sun May 01, 2011 4:18 am
by levanez
That's a move I didn't expect, I was waiting for an approach move either on the top or bottom. Banaan, give me some time to think on this. Since I won't be home til later tonight and Monday's looking to be quite busy, it may take me a while to come up with a response. But rest assured I won't forget our game
Re: 117. levanez (3k) vs. Banaan (1k)
Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 5:17 pm
by levanez
Banaan thanks for waiting. Here's my response:
$$Bcm25 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
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Re: 117. levanez (3k) vs. Banaan (1k)
Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 5:47 pm
by Loons
Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 2:08 am
by EdLee
Loons,
Loons wrote: W(a). 'Cause you virtually NEVER get the chance to play those high approaches!
W(a) seems wrong direction:
is already strong, so W wants to help the weaker stone
;
feels like better direction:
$$W
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is misplaced. The other is that 
should just be the capture of a single white stone to prevent a play at a for white (Or forcing black to patch it up).
to make it clear that a 
stone is captured. 
is a reduction often played quite a bit later, I think. Of course D19 isn't normally sente for white. Maybe not the perfect analogy.
is already strong, so W wants to help the weaker stone 
;