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Re:
Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 6:38 pm
by cdybeijing
EdLee wrote: $$Wm12
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After accepting the trigger, I think it's still your move Ed!
Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 6:42 pm
by EdLee
cdybeijing, thanks; yes, I know. I'm thinking.
Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 5:11 am
by EdLee
$$Wm18
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To double-hane or not to double-hane, that was the question.
We're still on book, so to speak: both
keima and
double-hane are pro variations.
I decided against
double-hane because even though W has a ladder break in the (a) direction,
the
(b) ponnuki (or something similar) is a bit annoying, and
(c) is sente.
Plus,
seems to be the road less traveled by.
$$W
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W should've double haned instead of the keima
:
$$W
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Re: 126. Loons v. EdLee
Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 5:36 am
by Loons
Well, Ed is nicely underlining that O4 is
high . My instinct is to capture R6 at S6, which Kogo's agrees is joseki. White here could have played Q7 instead, giving white a ladder breaker big point and leaving P2ish as another big point. I think I am content about the played exchange for the right, but am going to put off making the move until tomorrow.
$$Wcm18 Reference.
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Edit: NB black can still play the sealing in move at O2 later, like in the 3-3 invasion joseki I mentioned before (though it isn't sente against white's life).
Re: 126. Loons v. EdLee
Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 7:15 pm
by Loons
$$Wcm18
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If Ed gets to play N3, I will push it into J3. Later I hope to aim at C8, but lets see what happen on top first.
$$Wcm18 Reference.
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Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 5:15 am
by EdLee
Pondering the obvious (a) or tenuki (say, (b)):
$$Wm18
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Re: 126. Loons v. EdLee
Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 5:55 am
by Kirby
Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 1:40 am
by EdLee
$$Wm20
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Instead of the 1-space jump
in the game, if B had played the 1-space low pincer
,
I would've been OK with the following result. So
seems quite natural.
$$Bm1 Reference variation
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):
$$W Var 1.
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Slow. Kirby was right; tenuki was bigger than
.
Re: 126. Loons v. EdLee
Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 2:54 am
by Loons
$$Wcm20
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Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 3:44 am
by EdLee
First feeling is something like
;
$$W
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Re: 126. Loons v. EdLee
Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 5:48 am
by mw42
I don't like
. It just takes small territory and has no presence on the rest of the board. I'd play like this
$$Wm18
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Re: 126. Loons v. EdLee
Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 2:17 pm
by yithril
$$Wm12
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So I guess White didn't like this and switched to a different joseki. The ladder breaker gives White a good move at the top, but maybe he thought Black's thickness was too much.
$$Wm18
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I question this choice a little bit because normally it's to make the bottom not worth much, and White can reduce at around a later so I'm not convinced this is necessary.
$$Wm20
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The top is the most open, develop-able part of the board and I see no reason not to play there. Black's move is slow.
Re: 126. Loons v. EdLee
Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 3:53 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
Loons wrote: $$Wm20
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That move look like black is playing way too close to his own strength. I'd rather see this:
$$W
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White could invade, but it would be very difficult thereafter without some friends in the middle to run to.
Re: 126. Loons v. EdLee
Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 9:42 pm
by Loons
It's been nagging at me whether my last move was an underplay (slow) or fine. At least yesterday, I didn't like any of the following results, which today I don't have strong convictions regarding / seem fine/good.
$$Bm21
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$$Bm21 I didn't like being distantly pincered either, even though (or especially) because I couldn't really find how they'd continue.
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bm21 I didn't like being distantly pincered either, even though (or especially) because I couldn't really find how they'd continue.
NB: "ish" means "or similar".
Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 4:01 am
by EdLee
$$Wm22
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Not exactly an easy choice, between 3rd or 4th line.
For the reference variation below, I'd probably play the low
.
But in our game, B seems just
slightly thicker lower right (not sure), and there's also a ladder.
$$B
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keima and 
double-hane are pro variations.
(b) ponnuki (or something similar) is a bit annoying, and 
in the game, if B had played the 1-space low pincer 
,
seems quite natural.
.